BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kykiske » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:22 pm

Danger Zone wrote:I've been relaxing hard and recommend you do the same gaud

We're all gonna make it (no matter what we do this weekend)


I don't know jack shit about wills and trusts, really.

But hey, would rather relax then force myself to learn it now.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby musicfor18 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:23 pm

BelugaWhale wrote:So I'm taking Themis but gonna ask Barbri people here because Themis may be wrong. Civ pro question.

According to themis, a crossclaim asserted by 1 defendant against another must relate to the original claim that was asserted by the plaintiff against both defendants. So far so good. The question becomes then what happens if additional cross claims are asserted. Themis suggests, and I have long understood to be the case, that ANY cross claim needs to relate to the original claim

But I came across a model answer prepared by a group of VA law profs for an old VA exam question that asserted that only the first cross claim needs to be related, and as long as it is, any additional cross claims can be independent and not at all related to the original claim.

Now I know FRCP 13(g) seems pretty clear that crossclaims need to relate to the original claim, but the profs justify their answer on the basis of FRCP 18(a)...arguing that "A party asserting a claim, counterclaim, crossclaim, or third-party claim may join, as independent or alternative claims, as many claims as it has against an opposing party."

Thus, according to them, only the first crossclaim needs to relate, and if it is, any other cross claim can be independent. This blows my mind so wondering what you barbri guys think of this.


The first cross claim has to arise from the same T/O as the P's claim. After that, the party can assert additional cross claims against the same party even if they're completely unrelated to any other claim. But remember: (1) court has discretion to sever and (2) every claim has to have a basis for SMJ. So if the additional claim is unrelated to the underlying action, supplemental jurisdiction won't be possible. This means there would have to be FQ or diversity jurisdiction over it.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Killingly » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:25 pm

Good Guy Gaud wrote:
Killingly wrote:
Good Guy Gaud wrote:Today: MPQ 3; Lean Sheets review; Try to go through essays in weak areas I haven't completed just to see what's out there; drink beer and relax

Tomorrow: MPQ 4; watch BarBri Mini Review Lectures; drink beer and relax

Monday: buy a watch


Oh, your state lets you have a watch? Fancy.


:mrgreen:


Get this, the place where the test is held doesn't actually have its own clock. It's up to the proctors to find/bring a clock. My friends who took it last July said they forgot and had to scramble to find one.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Danger Zone » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:26 pm

The NYC location does not have a clock. You're allowed to bring an analog watch but NOT allowed to wear it.

Hooray for arbitrary rules

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Postby BVest » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:29 pm

kykiske wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:I've been relaxing hard and recommend you do the same gaud

We're all gonna make it (no matter what we do this weekend)


I don't know jack shit about wills and trusts family law, really.


This is me.

That said, with the exam looming, I start to get nervous and overwhelmed if I'm not doing something related, so doing additional MPQ and reading essay questions, identifying issues, and then reading answers is more relaxing to me right now than traditional relaxing

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby ladylawyer1221 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:30 pm

Danger Zone wrote:The NYC location does not have a clock. You're allowed to bring an analog watch but NOT allowed to wear it.

Hooray for arbitrary rules


TX doesn't even allow analog watches. Supposedly a clock will be visible from every seat in the room.......

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Kage3212 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:37 pm

ladylawyer1221 wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:The NYC location does not have a clock. You're allowed to bring an analog watch but NOT allowed to wear it.

Hooray for arbitrary rules


TX doesn't even allow analog watches. Supposedly a clock will be visible from every seat in the room.......


Same here in PA. Cant wait to show up and find no clock, or a malfunctioning clock.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:40 pm

No studying for me then. Thanks guys.

Time to start drinking. Woo!

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby thewaterlanding » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:01 pm

I went 37/50 on Mixed Set 5 and got 50 NCBEX questions and went 35/50. I feel good about that, I think.

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Postby Kage3212 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:04 pm

thewaterlanding wrote:I went 37/50 on Mixed Set 5 and got 50 NCBEX questions and went 35/50. I feel good about that, I think.


Yep, should be pretty happy with that if you can replicate on test day.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby DesperadoOfColumbia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:11 pm

Devlin wrote:For those who did the MBE 100 question refresher and did the mixed MPQ sets 5, 6 or 7 - which of them is the easiest/most resembles what to expect on the actual MBE?

I probably have only 100 questions left in me for MBE prep. I don't want to spend it on ridiculously challenging/narrow exception questions. I would rather spend it on likely questions and get a confidence booster before Wednesday.


Feels like all the MPQs are still trying to fuck with you. I did ok (60-70% as usual) but I feel like I've spent 2 months figuring out how to do Barbri questions instead of MBE questions.

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Postby kyle010723 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:17 pm

Rofl, after a near-genius performance on Set 5 yesterday, got a record mixed set low on Set 6. Oh well.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby jwe-houston » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:18 pm

Pulled 4-5 random pages from the retired MBE Question sets to form a 54Q mixed set. *Much* easier than Barbri. Very clear on what they were asking. I ended up rage-quitting 2 study smart mbe sets yesterday.

42/54

Even on a per topic breakdown it was better. Not going to sweat it too much.

Just from the 5 pages pulled at random from Evidence, it looks like they teased out the civ pro questions from evidence and added pleadings. Saw a couple about jury questions, privilege, and discovery production. At this late date if you wanted to buy a 50Q set from the makers, the old evidence may give insight to civ pro.

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Postby kyle010723 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:20 pm

jwe-houston wrote:Pulled 4-5 random pages from the retired MBE Question sets to form a 54Q mixed set. *Much* easier than Barbri. Very clear on what they were asking. I ended up rage-quitting 2 study smart mbe sets yesterday.

42/54

Even on a per topic breakdown it was better. Not going to sweat it too much.

Just from the 5 pages pulled at random from Evidence, it looks like they teased out the civ pro questions from evidence and added pleadings. Saw a couple about jury questions, privilege, and discovery production. At this late date if you wanted to buy a 50Q set from the makers, the old evidence may give insight to civ pro.


Encouraging, but the retired questions are supposedly easier. Though I do hope you're right.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Ludacrispat26 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:26 pm

Anyone know what the schedule is like for NY test day? Like do we do MC first, then 3 essays? All at once? MPT? So confused

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby musicfor18 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:29 pm

Ludacrispat26 wrote:Anyone know what the schedule is like for NY test day? Like do we do MC first, then 3 essays? All at once? MPT? So confused


During the morning block, it will be up to you to allocate your time between the materials tested in that block. During the afternoon block, same deal. Morning = 3 essays and 50 MC questions. Afternoon = 2 essays and 1 MPT. You have to do these in the blocks assigned, i.e., you can't choose to do the MC in the afternoon or the MPT in the morning, or switch the essays around.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby victortsoi » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:34 pm

im getting a little freaked out reading essay answers. Honestly some of what is written just seems so obvious to me (when I actually am familiar with the topic)that I might forget to put it down in order to get to the more complex points. Which would be a mistake. I guess I have to pretend im explaining to a kindergartener on game day. (this includes leaving out obvious elements of rules).

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby victortsoi » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:39 pm

musicfor18 wrote:
Ludacrispat26 wrote:Anyone know what the schedule is like for NY test day? Like do we do MC first, then 3 essays? All at once? MPT? So confused


During the morning block, it will be up to you to allocate your time between the materials tested in that block. During the afternoon block, same deal. Morning = 3 essays and 50 MC questions. Afternoon = 2 essays and 1 MPT. You have to do these in the blocks assigned, i.e., you can't choose to do the MC in the afternoon or the MPT in the morning, or switch the essays around.



is it worth it to try and power through the essays just a little faster to spend say about 20 minutes more on the mpt?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Ludacrispat26 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:43 pm

victortsoi wrote:
musicfor18 wrote:
Ludacrispat26 wrote:Anyone know what the schedule is like for NY test day? Like do we do MC first, then 3 essays? All at once? MPT? So confused


During the morning block, it will be up to you to allocate your time between the materials tested in that block. During the afternoon block, same deal. Morning = 3 essays and 50 MC questions. Afternoon = 2 essays and 1 MPT. You have to do these in the blocks assigned, i.e., you can't choose to do the MC in the afternoon or the MPT in the morning, or switch the essays around.



is it worth it to try and power through the essays just a little faster to spend say about 20 minutes more on the mpt?



Jesus, that sucks. Is it 3 hours and 3 hours for each?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Kage3212 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:44 pm

victortsoi wrote:
musicfor18 wrote:
Ludacrispat26 wrote:Anyone know what the schedule is like for NY test day? Like do we do MC first, then 3 essays? All at once? MPT? So confused


During the morning block, it will be up to you to allocate your time between the materials tested in that block. During the afternoon block, same deal. Morning = 3 essays and 50 MC questions. Afternoon = 2 essays and 1 MPT. You have to do these in the blocks assigned, i.e., you can't choose to do the MC in the afternoon or the MPT in the morning, or switch the essays around.



is it worth it to try and power through the essays just a little faster to spend say about 20 minutes more on the mpt?


Depends on the weight of the MPT in your jx. In PA, the MPT is worth 20% of the entire bar exam. Each essay is only worth 5.8%. Thus, getting some extra time on the MPT would be something worth pursuing in my opinion.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:49 pm

Killingly wrote:
Good Guy Gaud wrote:
Killingly wrote:
Good Guy Gaud wrote:Today: MPQ 3; Lean Sheets review; Try to go through essays in weak areas I haven't completed just to see what's out there; drink beer and relax

Tomorrow: MPQ 4; watch BarBri Mini Review Lectures; drink beer and relax

Monday: buy a watch


Oh, your state lets you have a watch? Fancy.


:mrgreen:


Get this, the place where the test is held doesn't actually have its own clock. It's up to the proctors to find/bring a clock. My friends who took it last July said they forgot and had to scramble to find one.



I can't imagine having to rely on a proctor lol

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 3|ink » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:59 pm

Oh f me. Guess I need to buy a cheap watch tomorrow.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:01 pm

3|ink wrote:Oh f me. Guess I need to buy a cheap watch tomorrow.


Really only need it for MBE day if you use a laptop for essays/pt's.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:04 pm

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby gmail » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:07 pm

anyone know how to mix questions on study smart mbe? i can't get the little app to include more than 18, or to mix topics.




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