BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

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Postby kyle010723 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:41 pm

blackcup wrote:Nice. When you say gunning MBE, do you actually write out the MBE essays, or do you just gun the MBE itself?


I don't write out essays anymore, takes too much time. But they do serve as good reviews to see if you can correctly restate the rules. So outline them if you are so inclined.

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Postby Good Guy Gaud » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:50 pm

kyle010723 wrote:
blackcup wrote:Nice. When you say gunning MBE, do you actually write out the MBE essays, or do you just gun the MBE itself?


I don't write out essays anymore, takes too much time. But they do serve as good reviews to see if you can correctly restate the rules. So outline them if you are so inclined.


+1 to outlining.

I haven't encountered a single essay that I don't believe I can write out in 30 minutes... identifying the law to apply is the name of the game.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:53 pm

So is this MBE Refresher lady trying to teach me how to pass the Realtor Exam or the Bar Exam...? I miss Guzman already.

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Postby Kage3212 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:56 pm

kyle010723 wrote:So is this MBE Refresher lady trying to teach me how to pass the Realtor Exam or the Bar Exam...? I miss Guzman already.


The best part of her introduction video is where she advocates using a grid on a piece of scratch paper to keep track of medium and very difficult questions. Thereafter, she explains that...."you aren't allowed to have scratch paper on the bar." :roll:

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Postby kyle010723 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:02 pm

Kage3212 wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:So is this MBE Refresher lady trying to teach me how to pass the Realtor Exam or the Bar Exam...? I miss Guzman already.


The best part of her introduction video is where she advocates using a grid on a piece of scratch paper to keep track of medium and very difficult questions. Thereafter, she explains that...."you aren't allowed to have scratch paper on the bar." :roll:


Haha, she said to use the cover of the booklet as scratch paper or something. But then you'll have to flip back and forth just to implement "the grid." Yup, not going to happen.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 3|ink » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:12 pm

For car searches incident to arrest, must the driver be secured?

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Postby BVest » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:15 pm

I admit that I may have missed either of these topics being addressed because there were a lot of posts since my last visit, but:

errmsg wrote:
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charlesxavier wrote:For some reason my 5th edition of Emanuel didn't come with the card for civ pro questions. Anyone care to explain, if possible, why they're harder than barbri? I'm worried that they're going to hurt me on the real thing.


Same... I bought mine used and the code didn't work. A little worried about being underprepared for civ pro questions.


I've done a couple of these and they do seem harder.. a bit hard to explain why though. In general, the questions seem longer and the jurisdiction questions seem to hinge on smaller issues that weren't tested frequently in the BarBri Civ Pro questions.


Have you done the 10 NCBE sample questions. They're easier, IMO, than Barbri. That said, they are different. There was one person reporting that the actual game day questions seemed harder than these samples, but who knows.

https://www.ncbex.org/pdfviewer/?file=% ... ument%2F16

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Good Guy Gaud wrote:I don't think PSP count includes the simulated MBE/refresher/practice MBE/half day MBE, right?


Right, almost positive that they don't


Wait whaaaat?! Can anyone authenticate this? If it's true, I'm gonna have so much joy.


I've done all the assigned sets so far which is seven of sets 1-5 and three of set 6 (684), all online. Plus I've done the full day, the refresher, and two mixed sets (400). The Barbri progress page shows me as having done 671, which, while an odd number that doesn't fully make sense, would point to the progress counter only counting the subject sets of 18 and not the mixed sets, practice, or refresher.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby BVest » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:17 pm

3|ink wrote:For car searches incident to arrest, must the driver be secured?


If they're not secured, the police can search the entire passenger compartment. If they are secured, police can only search the car incident to arrest for evidence relating to the offense for the arrest. (e.g. if arrested for speeding, and the D is secured, police may not search the car incident to arrest.)

ETA: The theory is that a search incident to arrest is meant to protect police from weapons secreted within easy reach of the D (or people hiding waiting to jump out at the cops -- but that's for arrests in a house). If the person is already secured, there is no longer danger of them getting to a weapon in the passenger compartment.
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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:17 pm

BVest wrote:
3|ink wrote:For car searches incident to arrest, must the driver be secured?


If they're not secured, the police can search the entire passenger compartment. If they are secured, police can only search the car incident to arrest for evidence relating to the offense for the arrest. (e.g. if arrested for speeding, and the D is secured, police may not search the car incident to arrest.)


Looks right to me

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Postby 3|ink » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:19 pm

BVest wrote:
3|ink wrote:For car searches incident to arrest, must the driver be secured?


If they're not secured, the police can search the entire passenger compartment. If they are secured, police can only search the car incident to arrest for evidence relating to the offense for the arrest. (e.g. if arrested for speeding, and the D is secured, police may not search the car incident to arrest.)

Ah thanks.

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Postby charlesxavier » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:23 pm

3|ink wrote:
BVest wrote:
3|ink wrote:For car searches incident to arrest, must the driver be secured?


If they're not secured, the police can search the entire passenger compartment. If they are secured, police can only search the car incident to arrest for evidence relating to the offense for the arrest. (e.g. if arrested for speeding, and the D is secured, police may not search the car incident to arrest.)

Ah thanks.


What helps me remember that is Scalia arguing that it creates an incentive to leave suspects unsecured.

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Postby jamescastle » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:23 pm

It's not like it's impossible to implement Sambito's grid approach without scratch paper.
Just have a code or something where you circle or box the question number. For example, put a check by the question if you don't want to come back to it; circle the question number if you want to come back to it on your first pass; box the question number if you want to come back to it on your second pass. I forget her exact one check-two check system but I think it's something like that.
C'mon guys. It's a fine strategy if you do the questions fast and anticipate having extra time during each 3 hours session.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby BVest » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:28 pm

charlesxavier wrote:
3|ink wrote:
BVest wrote:
3|ink wrote:For car searches incident to arrest, must the driver be secured?


If they're not secured, the police can search the entire passenger compartment. If they are secured, police can only search the car incident to arrest for evidence relating to the offense for the arrest. (e.g. if arrested for speeding, and the D is secured, police may not search the car incident to arrest.)

Ah thanks.


What helps me remember that is Scalia arguing that it creates an incentive to leave suspects unsecured.


Yeah, or the scenes from cop shows where the suspects have their hands on the hood or the roof, but are uncuffed while police search the car.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby brotherdarkness » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:36 pm

When can police get into the trunk without having to arrest you & impound the car?

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Postby Kage3212 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:38 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:When can police get into the trunk without having to arrest you & impound the car?


Pretty sure police can search everything with probable cause.

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Postby kyle010723 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:40 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:When can police get into the trunk without having to arrest you & impound the car?


When they have probable cause to search the entire car, then it falls under the batmobile exception instead of incident to arrest

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Postby BVest » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:44 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:When can police get into the trunk without having to arrest you & impound the car?


When they have probable cause that the vehicle contains some form of contraband or evidence. For example a reliable informant tells police that he saw the suspects load drugs into the trunk. Basically, if the police have enough information to support them going to get a warrant to search the car, they can search the car.

ETA: Always bear in mind, though, that the scope of the search is limited to places where the contraband/evidence could be. For example, if the informant told police that he saw suspects load a bunch of stolen shotguns into the car, they can only search in places large enough to hide a shotgun.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby RaleighStClair » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:48 pm

I got 5 out of those 10 NCBE civ pro q's. I see why I got them wrong...but man. :cry:

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Danger Zone » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:48 pm

RaleighStClair wrote:I got 5 out of those 10 NCBE civ pro q's. I see why I got them wrong...but man. :cry:

Chalk it up as learning and move on

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Postby Good Guy Gaud » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:55 pm

Danger Zone wrote:
RaleighStClair wrote:I got 5 out of those 10 NCBE civ pro q's. I see why I got them wrong...but man. :cry:

Chalk it up as learning and move on


Yea, don't stress about it. So long as you see why you got them wrong you're going to be alright.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:57 pm

Good Guy Gaud wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
RaleighStClair wrote:I got 5 out of those 10 NCBE civ pro q's. I see why I got them wrong...but man. :cry:

Chalk it up as learning and move on


Yea, don't stress about it. So long as you see why you got them wrong you're going to be alright.


+1, better get them wrong now than on test day.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby RaleighStClair » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:18 pm

kyle010723 wrote:
Good Guy Gaud wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
RaleighStClair wrote:I got 5 out of those 10 NCBE civ pro q's. I see why I got them wrong...but man. :cry:

Chalk it up as learning and move on


Yea, don't stress about it. So long as you see why you got them wrong you're going to be alright.


+1, better get them wrong now than on test day.


Thanks all. Need to get a better mindset before game day...

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby errmsg » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:19 pm

RaleighStClair wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:
Good Guy Gaud wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
RaleighStClair wrote:I got 5 out of those 10 NCBE civ pro q's. I see why I got them wrong...but man. :cry:

Chalk it up as learning and move on


Yea, don't stress about it. So long as you see why you got them wrong you're going to be alright.


+1, better get them wrong now than on test day.


Thanks all. Need to get a better mindset before game day...


One thing to keep in mind is that there will be more jurisdiction questions on the real thing which is arguably easier than having to remember the details for the motions, discovery, etc...

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:21 pm

Option + leasehold + RAP... Barbri is just messing with our minds now...

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby BVest » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:25 pm

kyle010723 wrote:Option + leasehold + RAP... Barbri is just messing with our minds now...

That came up in one of the first question sets. I feel like subsequently there was an exception to the exception, but I can't remember what it was (if there was one) so I'll just hope that it comes up strictly as option + leasehold on the MBE.




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