BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby myrtlewinston » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:12 pm

RaleighStClair wrote:Yeah, what the hell. Do some people just get screwed on the grading or do people get bumps up if they're graded by graders that they figure out are assholes?


I've been told that the NY graders receive "report cards." If the grades they assign are skewed, the Board corrects for that. I hope that is true.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:14 pm

This is the single worst exam ever.

Just saying.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:15 pm

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:
myrtlewinston wrote:Mike Sims called to talk about why two graders differed by 10 points on one of my essays. He claims that grading is subjective. I hope the Bar Examiners have safeguards against arbitrary and capricious grading.


In NY if you fail and it's close (I think if you score 645+; passing is 665) then they have another person read and grade your essays to make sure it's not subjective grading.

Same in CA. They regrade if you come close but miss, averaging the two the second time around. If the second guy differs by more than 10 points from the first a third supergrader rolls in and grades it.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby redsox550 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:21 pm

what percentage on mixed barbri mbe MC questions would you consider yourself safe to pass?

If I'm getting mid 70% does that mean I'm good to go?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby mr.hands » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:25 pm

Good Guy Gaud wrote:This is the single worst exam ever.

Just saying.


Agreed. On set 5 I'm getting 50-60% and it's driving me crazy. I only need a 125 scaled to pass though. Fingers crossed

I can't imagine studying for this a second time
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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby myrtlewinston » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:32 pm

Good Guy Gaud wrote:This is the single worst exam ever.

Just saying.


I concur.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:42 pm

mr.hands wrote:I only need a 125 scaled to pass though. Fingers crossed

I can't imagine studying for this a second time


Mind sharing which state this is? Is it too late to sign up for the bar there?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby mr.hands » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:47 pm

kyle010723 wrote:
mr.hands wrote:I only need a 125 scaled to pass though. Fingers crossed

I can't imagine studying for this a second time


Mind sharing which state this is? Is it too late to sign up for the bar there?


lol the problem is that the MBE is 1/7th of the exam. So it's virtually meaningless.

I'd be better spending my time on secured transactions than all the MBE subjects combined
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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:48 pm

mr.hands wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:
mr.hands wrote:I only need a 125 scaled to pass though. Fingers crossed

I can't imagine studying for this a second time


Mind sharing which state this is? Is it too late to sign up for the bar there?


lol the problem is that the MBE is 1/7th of the exam. So it's virtually meaningless...


Oh, nvm, that sounds terrible. haha

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby BVest » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:52 pm

kyle010723 wrote:
myrtlewinston wrote:Mike Sims called to talk about why two graders differed by 10 points on one of my essays. He claims that grading is subjective. I hope the Bar Examiners have safeguards against arbitrary and capricious grading.


Mike Sims himself called you?! Woah.


Yeah, he returns emails with phone calls.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Bcmurphy42 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:59 pm

BVest wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:
myrtlewinston wrote:Mike Sims called to talk about why two graders differed by 10 points on one of my essays. He claims that grading is subjective. I hope the Bar Examiners have safeguards against arbitrary and capricious grading.


Mike Sims himself called you?! Woah.


Yeah, he returns emails with phone calls.


"Mmmmm, he seems like a nice guy" - Tommy Boy.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:01 pm

BVest wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:
myrtlewinston wrote:Mike Sims called to talk about why two graders differed by 10 points on one of my essays. He claims that grading is subjective. I hope the Bar Examiners have safeguards against arbitrary and capricious grading.


Mike Sims himself called you?! Woah.


Yeah, he returns emails with phone calls.


Emails leave a trail, phone calls, odds are no one is recording it. Sounds smart to me.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:02 pm

kyle010723 wrote:
BVest wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:
myrtlewinston wrote:Mike Sims called to talk about why two graders differed by 10 points on one of my essays. He claims that grading is subjective. I hope the Bar Examiners have safeguards against arbitrary and capricious grading.


Mike Sims himself called you?! Woah.


Yeah, he returns emails with phone calls.


Emails leave a trail, phone calls, odds are no one is recording it. Sounds smart to me.

Sounds like the IRS

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby myrtlewinston » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:11 pm

BVest wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:
myrtlewinston wrote:Mike Sims called to talk about why two graders differed by 10 points on one of my essays. He claims that grading is subjective. I hope the Bar Examiners have safeguards against arbitrary and capricious grading.


Mike Sims himself called you?! Woah.


Yeah, he returns emails with phone calls.


He called you too?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:19 pm

Ima email Mike just to say "what's up" and see if he calls me back.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby myrtlewinston » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:22 pm

If he does, he will make you thank him for doing so.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby brotherdarkness » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:41 pm

Fuck this test. :evil:

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby diowad » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:47 pm

kyle010723 wrote:errr, got pwned by Emanuael's civ pro with a 20% drop from my MPQ average... anyone else did those by any chance?


Yeah I was only at 60% for Civ Pro and I had been cruising along in the others at 75%. His Civ Pro was wayyy harder than BarBri's. Just the fact that it's such a new topic, I don't think anyone knows exactly what they'll be like.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby victortsoi » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:47 pm

Yes. fuck this test.

Also, can anyone give me a quick tl/dr on what mr marino is saying here? What trick?

http://abovethelaw.com/2015/02/ask-the- ... -building/


(I realize that this is the law school equivalent of horrible clickbait, but I still want to know).

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:49 pm

diowad wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:errr, got pwned by Emanuael's civ pro with a 20% drop from my MPQ average... anyone else did those by any chance?


Yeah I was only at 60% for Civ Pro and I had been cruising along in the others at 75%. His Civ Pro was wayyy harder than BarBri's. Just the fact that it's such a new topic, I don't think anyone knows exactly what they'll be like.


Felt like this with part of the property. Saw a question w/r/t sports arena tickets [and how they are revocable licenses] and was like, "Hmmm... I don't think that's in my lecture notes."

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby brotherdarkness » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:52 pm

victortsoi wrote:Yes. fuck this test.

Also, can anyone give me a quick tl/dr on what mr marino is saying here? What trick?

http://abovethelaw.com/2015/02/ask-the- ... -building/


(I realize that this is the law school equivalent of horrible clickbait, but I still want to know).


He seems to be saying that he knows how to teach people how to make up law (make up a rule, state it, then bullshit after... or something like that), whereas most Bar prep companies try to force students to memorize all of the law (an impossible task). I get the impression that he was hawking some snake oil secret methodology of bullshitting your way to success.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby EvelynS » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:04 pm

Good Guy Gaud wrote:
diowad wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:errr, got pwned by Emanuael's civ pro with a 20% drop from my MPQ average... anyone else did those by any chance?


Yeah I was only at 60% for Civ Pro and I had been cruising along in the others at 75%. His Civ Pro was wayyy harder than BarBri's. Just the fact that it's such a new topic, I don't think anyone knows exactly what they'll be like.


Felt like this with part of the property. Saw a question w/r/t sports arena tickets [and how they are revocable licenses] and was like, "Hmmm... I don't think that's in my lecture notes."


I don't know the particular question you are referring to, but I do remember that tickets are revocable licenses. Did you have Franzese for Property? For some reason, I remembered her story about the couple and Broadway tickets, where the couple was asked to leave after they were already seated bcs. some movie star was in the theater and the owners thought she would want those seats.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby victortsoi » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:05 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:
victortsoi wrote:Yes. fuck this test.

Also, can anyone give me a quick tl/dr on what mr marino is saying here? What trick?

http://abovethelaw.com/2015/02/ask-the- ... -building/


(I realize that this is the law school equivalent of horrible clickbait, but I still want to know).


He seems to be saying he knows how to teach people how to make up law (make up a rule, state it, then bullshit after... or something like that), whereas most Bar prep companies try to force students to memorize all of the law (an impossible task). I get the impression that he was hawking some snake oil secret methodology of bullshitting your way to success.


yes exactly. but does his snake oil translate to a bunch of points? So say you forget the rule....is this a confidence trick? Do we just make something up and CRAC as if our "R" was correct? If so, thats awesome!

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:06 pm

victortsoi wrote:yes exactly. but does his snake oil translate to a bunch of points? So say you forget the rule....is this a confidence trick? Do we just make something up and CRAC as if our "R" was correct? If so, thats awesome!

That's exactly what you're supposed to do.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby myrtlewinston » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:08 pm

diowad wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:errr, got pwned by Emanuael's civ pro with a 20% drop from my MPQ average... anyone else did those by any chance?


Yeah I was only at 60% for Civ Pro and I had been cruising along in the others at 75%. His Civ Pro was wayyy harder than BarBri's. Just the fact that it's such a new topic, I don't think anyone knows exactly what they'll be like.


Not plugging for Barbri, but Guzman makes educated guesses in his mini-review. Hopefully, he's correct and we don't have to memorise all the nutty deadlines.




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