BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 3|ink » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:13 am

BVest wrote:
5ky wrote:given that it's july 15, i cannot stress enough that you NY folks should abandon the barbri essays and only look at the released essays from previous years.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamQuestions/ExamQuestions.htm

you are likely to find them (1) much more focused in the question prompt and (2) generally easier.



Are the NY BarBri essays not the released previous essays? All the Texas BarBri essays give the date that the question was asked.

The Virginia barbri essays don't give a date.

Please tell me that the barbri essays are harder than the real ones.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 5ky » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:14 am

BVest wrote:
5ky wrote:given that it's july 15, i cannot stress enough that you NY folks should abandon the barbri essays and only look at the released essays from previous years.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamQuestions/ExamQuestions.htm

you are likely to find them (1) much more focused in the question prompt and (2) generally easier.



Are the NY BarBri essays not the released previous essays? All the Texas BarBri essays give the date that the question was asked.


when i did barbri it had like 40 "real" essays and then all of the rest were fake essays. i think they chose the hardest possible "real" essays, which felt nothing like the real ones to me.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 5ky » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:15 am

3|ink wrote:
BVest wrote:
5ky wrote:given that it's july 15, i cannot stress enough that you NY folks should abandon the barbri essays and only look at the released essays from previous years.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamQuestions/ExamQuestions.htm

you are likely to find them (1) much more focused in the question prompt and (2) generally easier.



Are the NY BarBri essays not the released previous essays? All the Texas BarBri essays give the date that the question was asked.

The Virginia barbri essays don't give a date.

Please tell me that the barbri essays are harder than the real ones.


just start doing the ones i posted. i thought they were substantially easier because the prompts were VERY pointed. none of that "evaluate potential liabilities crap," it would be (a) Was the motion to dismiss proper, (b) Did X commit the crime of attempted larceny, etc.

essentially what i'm saying is that the questions required almost no issue-spotting whatsoever, which made IRACing so easy. NY essays was by far my favorite portion of the bar, it was almost relaxing how easy they were (though I had drilled NY subjects very hard)

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby myrtlewinston » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:21 am

BVest wrote:
5ky wrote:given that it's july 15, i cannot stress enough that you NY folks should abandon the barbri essays and only look at the released essays from previous years.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamQuestions/ExamQuestions.htm

you are likely to find them (1) much more focused in the question prompt and (2) generally easier.



Are the NY BarBri essays not the released previous essays? All the Texas BarBri essays give the date that the question was asked.


They are, but they're rather old.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:23 am

Do you guys have any sort of quick-review plan before practice tests/the real thing?

Like, what are you going to do the morning of?

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Postby Outis Onoma » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:23 am

completely hit a wall today and got almost nothing done. Doesn't help that I looked at my state's overall bar passage rates for the last two july test dates and it was 84% and 77%. (first time takers were higher). I wonder how badly I would have to screw up to fail.

Also, no clean clothes left.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:25 am

Outis Onoma wrote:Also, no clean clothes left.


Febreeze

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 3|ink » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:26 am

Good Guy Gaud wrote:Do you guys have any sort of quick-review plan before practice tests/the real thing?

Like, what are you going to do the morning of?

Sleep in as late as possible; arrive no more than 30 minutes early.

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Postby kyle010723 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:27 am

Good Guy Gaud wrote:Do you guys have any sort of quick-review plan before practice tests/the real thing?

Like, what are you going to do the morning of?


The morning of? IL told us the door opens at 7am. So there will not be much time in terms of the morning off between getting up and getting there. That is assuming one can even sleep, which is highly doubtful but necessary.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:28 am

Yea, I mean, I'm basically concerned that I won't be able to sleep..

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby jamescastle » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:28 am

This may be a dumb question but where are y'all finding rubrics to grade your essays?
I'm in Texas and I have a TXT book that has questions and answers but no rubrics to see what my score would be. Is this somewhere online? In the back of a book I'm missing? I don't have a MEET book that I'm aware of... :?: :?: :?:

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby acronyx » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:29 am

kmp127 wrote:
musicfor18 wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
musicfor18 wrote:
kmp127 wrote:With shareholder voting, what's the difference between "majority of shares entitled to vote" vs. "majority of shares that actually vote" ?

Pretty sure the answer is "majority of shares that actually vote" = the shareholders that are at the meeting, whereas "majority of shares entitled to vote" = even those who didn't come to the meeting.

Close, but the first one is more limited than that. It also excludes shareholders that attend the meeting but do not vote.


Fair enough.


So one is a majority of ALL the shares,i.e., if a quorum was satisfied by 51% of the shares being present, then EVERYONE at the meeting, all 51% of the shares would need to vote yes to satisfy the "maj of shares entitled to vote"

And the other this a maj of whoever showed up? i.e., that same 51% quorum was present, only 25.6% of the ppl there need to vote yes to satisfy the "maj of shares who actually vote" ?

Kind of. It always helps me to think of this with actual numbers.

If total shares outstanding = 100,000, then a quorum = 50,001

You have a quorum at a meeting, so 50,001 shares are present (note, SHARES. This could be one shareholder who owns all those shares, or 50,001 individuals). They're voting on something that just needs more votes for than votes against (this is most stuff unless it says otherwise). If every share votes, you need 25,001 to vote FOR for it to pass (that means 25,000 against). BUT if only 3 shares vote, you only need 2 to vote for. Let me try to do this again with numbers:

Present = 50,001 (Quorum because this is 50%+1 of 100,000 outstanding shares)
- Vote tally: 2 for, 1 against = PASSED
- Vote tally: 25,000 for, 25,001 against = FAILED
- Vote tally: 25,001 for = PASSED (not enough present for it to fail)

Hope that was useful!

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:30 am

jamescastle wrote:This may be a dumb question but where are y'all finding rubrics to grade your essays?
I'm in Texas and I have a TXT book that has questions and answers but no rubrics to see what my score would be. Is this somewhere online? In the back of a book I'm missing? I don't have a MEET book that I'm aware of... :?: :?: :?:


I don't have the MEET book either. The rubric for me was found as part of the sample answer to the simulated half day essay. Assuming your state has a simulated essay day, look to see if there is one posted under your circle exclamation mark logo on your PSP.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:31 am

Good Guy Gaud wrote:Do you guys have any sort of quick-review plan before practice tests/the real thing?

Like, what are you going to do the morning of?

I've missed a bunch of early questions on the last couple sets of 50 before settling in to a groove so I might do a few multiple choice Q's before the MBE day like they recommended for the LSAT.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:33 am

Good Guy Gaud wrote:Yea, I mean, I'm basically concerned that I won't be able to sleep..


Didn't they tell us to chug a bottle of wine or two or three the night before the exam?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 3|ink » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:40 am

I'm going to take like 20mgs of ambien

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:41 am

kyle010723 wrote:
Good Guy Gaud wrote:Yea, I mean, I'm basically concerned that I won't be able to sleep..


Didn't they tell us to chug a bottle of wine or two or three the night before the exam?

I think a solid dose of red wine throughout the day before is a good strategy

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 3|ink » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:43 am

How far do you guys have to travel to your testing station?

In my shitty state (Virginia), they have only one testing location. And it's in the middle of nowhere (Roanoke). And everyone has to dress up. (Not sure if that's the rule in other states as well.)

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kyle010723 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:46 am

3|ink wrote:How far do you guys have to travel to your testing station?

In my shitty state (Virginia), they have only one testing location. And it's in the middle of nowhere (Roanoke). And everyone has to dress up. (Not sure if that's the rule in other states as well.)


Eh, I'm staying at a hotel near my test site, but traveling there on Monday. Casual dress code for IL.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:46 am

3|ink wrote:How far do you guys have to travel to your testing station?

In my shitty state (Virginia), they have only one testing location. And it's in the middle of nowhere (Roanoke). And everyone has to dress up. (Not sure if that's the rule in other states as well.)

lol dress up?

I have to fly from one side of the state to another but that's my own fault. I'm gonna stay at a hotel next to the testing center. I'm guessing Roanoke hotels do really well that weekend.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby N.P.H. » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:50 am

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby rinkrat19 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:54 am

Virginia's the only one I've heard of where you have to dress up. That's straight-up bullshit.

I'll definitely be wearing some layers of my absolute most comfortable clothes.
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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby corgibutts18 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:54 am

I'm either getting even more stupid, or these MPQ question sets 5 and 6 are way harder than sets 1-4. Is anyone else experiencing this? Should I be concerned?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Good Guy Gaud » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:55 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
3|ink wrote:How far do you guys have to travel to your testing station?

In my shitty state (Virginia), they have only one testing location. And it's in the middle of nowhere (Roanoke). And everyone has to dress up. (Not sure if that's the rule in other states as well.)

lol dress up?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby N.P.H. » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:56 am

corgibutts18 wrote:I'm either getting even more stupid, or these MPQ question sets 5 and 6 are way harder than sets 1-4. Is anyone else experiencing this? Should I be concerned?


If you're in study-smart, I'm pretty sure you can look at your % correct based on difficulty.




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