BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

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Postby toplawnerd » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:03 am

Has/will barbri post an "average passing score"? Or is the general standard that anyone over 100/200 is in decent shape?

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Devlin » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:04 am

BVest wrote:
Devlin wrote:.

Also, I have started to rely on the short outlines posted on Stanford's website. Someone posted them in another thread a week ago. Each MBE subject is around 6K words and right on point with only the rules.


SLS Outlines[/quote]
You are taking the Texas Bar, correct? Have you found similar outlines for Texas essays?

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Postby BVest » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:08 am

No.

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Postby BVest » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:10 am

toplawnerd wrote:Has/will barbri post an "average passing score"? Or is the general standard that anyone over 100/200 is in decent shape?


Passing depends on your state (not to mention how you score on your essays/MPT/whatever else).

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Postby dwyf » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:17 am

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bstefans1 wrote:Nah it's not time to pack it in. It's time to commit yourself and do the necessary work.

I know people who got low 90's on simulated MBE and got 135+ on real MBE. I know someone who got a 140 after getting a 73. I also know someone who had a 38 (LOL) on the simulated and passed the Bar.

I suggest critical pass to people struggling. Just make sure you commit to studying a topic or two a day, really understanding and memorizing, and then doing practice MBE questions on that topic. Since it is a little late in the game, I suggest also doing a NY subject at night as well. If you stick to this and don't half ass it, you'll be fine.



Thanks for this, really made me feel semi decent. Honestly was probably a little too cocky in thinking the answers would just "come to me" when I was taking the test. Time to start memorizing, thanks for the support!


http://abovethelaw.com/2010/06/how-to-f ... first-try/ - back before ATL went to shit (or, worse shit anyway) and Elie actually wrote there, he talked about getting destroyed on the barbri midterm and what he did to come back from it.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby 3|ink » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:18 am

Doing domestic relations today. I have the guy who doesn't even give a lecture handout, so I'm just outlining from CMR. I'm just realizing how horribly organized the CMR is for state-specific subjects.

I might be better off outlining from the lean sheet.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Devlin » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:51 am

Has anyone watched the MBE review videos? I have been just checking the back of the book for the workshops. Trying to determine if that's what I should do for the simulated MBE or give these videos a second shot.

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Postby mushybrain » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:54 am

Devlin wrote:Has anyone watched the MBE review videos? I have been just checking the back of the book for the workshops. Trying to determine if that's what I should do for the simulated MBE or give these videos a second shot.

Watch the ones by Guzman. Skip the others.

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Postby diowad » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:58 am

Devlin wrote:Has anyone watched the MBE review videos? I have been just checking the back of the book for the workshops. Trying to determine if that's what I should do for the simulated MBE or give these videos a second shot.


I watched one and didn't think it was worth it because I always go back and read the answer explanations anyway. Some have said they like it, but I didn't really find much that I wouldn't have found through my own self-study

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Postby charlesxavier » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:00 pm

mushybrain wrote:
Devlin wrote:Has anyone watched the MBE review videos? I have been just checking the back of the book for the workshops. Trying to determine if that's what I should do for the simulated MBE or give these videos a second shot.

Watch the ones by Guzman. Skip the others.


I agree. He reviews more than just the answers and gives you a mini-review of the big issues.

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Postby Barbro » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:15 pm

mushybrain wrote:
Devlin wrote:Has anyone watched the MBE review videos? I have been just checking the back of the book for the workshops. Trying to determine if that's what I should do for the simulated MBE or give these videos a second shot.

Watch the ones by Guzman. Skip the others.


For some reason NY puts several days of actual work in between the midterm and the review lectures. By the time I went back to the test I'd forgotten why I picked what I picked, so they were useless. If I knew about that ahead of time I would have done the review lectures the day after the exam.

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Postby Ineedhelpplease » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:31 pm

Hi guys, anybody successfully incorporate the critical pass cards into their studies?...

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Postby charlesxavier » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:36 pm

Any advice for learning detailed/new state specific topics? The only essay topic that is completely foreign to me is Commercial Paper and I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around it. Curious as to how other people are approaching similar issues.

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Postby old_soul » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:04 pm

charlesxavier wrote:Any advice for learning detailed/new state specific topics? The only essay topic that is completely foreign to me is Commercial Paper and I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around it. Curious as to how other people are approaching similar issues.


Check out Tannicus' guide. Lemme quote him.

"Here's my best attempt to explain Commercial Paper:

I think the hardest thing to get a handle on is what the disputes are even about and who they're between. Basically, you want to proceed in this way:

1. Who is suing whom, exactly? (Is the bank that had to pay the check the one suing? Is someone who unknowingly indorsed an invalid check pissed off? Is there a thief getting sued, or are other people getting sued for indorsing a thief or taking a check from a thief?)

2. Are they suing over a negotiable instrument? Apply elements of a negotiable instrument. If it's not a valid negotiable instrument, then your Commercial Paper problem has officially ended and the plaintiff will need some other type of action, such as a contract breach.

3. Is the plaintiff (the person suing because they got screwed) a holder of the instrument? (Does the plaintiff have a right to sue over the instrument?) Apply elements for a holder. (In plain English, it's not like I can pick up a check off the sidewalk that was written to someone named Timothy, and sue on his behalf. I have to be a valid holder of the check. This usually means I paid value for the check, or someone wrote it out to me, or someone who was a previous holder indorsed me on the check.)

4. Did the person sued do anything -- i.e. sign, create or guaranty (warranty) anything -- to make them accountable to the plaintiff? In other words, did the defendant sign, create, present or indorse a valid negotiable instrument and give it or cause it to be given to someone else?

5. If yes, does the defendant have any defenses or waivers against being held liable they can make? (Make sure they didn't waive liability in the indorsement of the check. Meanwhile, fraud in the factum and fraud in the inducement are going to be the most common defenses, especially if a thief is involved. But remember, there are two types of defenses, and the distinction between them matters.)

6. Is the person suing them a holder in due course? (This matters because it limits the defenses; fraud in the inducement is the big one that doesn't apply to protect you when the plaintiff is a holder in due course.) Apply the elements to HDC status, the most important being: did a valid holder give value for the check?

7. Okay, so the defendant's getting sued and has no defenses that apply, either because the plaintiff is a HDC that limits his available defenses, or because the plaintiff is just a regular holder but no defenses of any kind are applicable. But can the defendant kick liability down to someone else? (Ex: A presentment warranty is typically violated by the person who presents the non-payable check to the bank, so the presenter is the first to get sued, but they may in turn have an action against the person who transferred to them the check, and that transferor may in turn have another action against a previous transferor or perhaps the drawer of the check.)


Review one of your previous or current Commercial Paper essay problems, and try just issue spotting for an issue involving one of those seven steps. Hope this helps."

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Postby 3|ink » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:22 pm

Devlin wrote:Has anyone watched the MBE review videos? I have been just checking the back of the book for the workshops. Trying to determine if that's what I should do for the simulated MBE or give these videos a second shot.

I plan to watch 1 a day over the next week. It's really not so bad at 2x speed.

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Postby LawGuy321 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:23 pm

diowad wrote:
Devlin wrote:Has anyone watched the MBE review videos? I have been just checking the back of the book for the workshops. Trying to determine if that's what I should do for the simulated MBE or give these videos a second shot.


I watched one and didn't think it was worth it because I always go back and read the answer explanations anyway. Some have said they like it, but I didn't really find much that I wouldn't have found through my own self-study


Here's my take: I worked hard yesterday taking something called the Simulated MBE. Like heck if I'm not going to take a day to relax and listen to some lectures. ::blends some watermelon, puts on tank top, grabs a beer, readies favorite blogs::

I think people who didn't bomb and reached somewhere near what they were hoping for should take a breather. I'm doing the lectures today and tomorrow, while I type up what I got wrong, then maybe doing an essay or two. I'm going to the beach tomorrow morning, and I may just cover up alcohol in brown paper bags because now I finally understand why cops can't check the contents of my drink short of probable cause. Friday I start killing state-specific.

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Postby Devlin » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:23 pm

Ineedhelpplease wrote:Hi guys, anybody successfully incorporate the critical pass cards into their studies?...

They basically are my MBE study. Flash cards followed by MPQs.

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Postby DesperadoOfColumbia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:38 pm

Ineedhelpplease wrote:Hi guys, anybody successfully incorporate the critical pass cards into their studies?...


Great for memorizing black letter law, but how you put that into application is really down to your abilities. Splitting things up makes it more manageable than the CMR outlines I've found.

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Postby Neff » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:47 pm

I did about 50 of the mock MBE questions yesterday before it became too painful. Checked my answers. Got 26/50 (52%).

In the last few days I've also done 224 real questions from Emanuel's, with 160 correct (71%). It says you need 61% to pass in an average state like mine.

Wouldn't say I'm in great shape, but it is more evidence that you can reasonably expect your raw on the real test to be about 20% higher than your Barbri %.

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Postby ohhoney » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:51 pm

Blue Ivy wrote:Did any of you take the 200 Qs without having really studied a couple topics? I had just studied evidence prior to taking it and got like 1/3 of the Evidence Qs wrong. Definitely took a hit overall because of that.


Haaa, yeah I took the simulated MBE without touching crim law/pro or civ pro (besides watching the lectures/filling out the lecture notes). It made me feel better that my score was still alright without knowing much of anything about those topics. I'm just getting to crim MPQs now actually...

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Postby rhs100 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:02 pm

For the MPTs, do you usually read the cases first and then the facts (what barbri lecture generally said) or other way around? I did it this way for the assigned MPTs and the simulated, but it seems to be that this is not very efficient because then I have to go back to the cases and pick out what I really need. Has anyone found it to be better to read facts first?

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Postby kmp127 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:07 pm

Mixed Set question --

I got 27/50 on Mixed Set 1 last night and 38/50 on Mixed Set 2 just now. I'm a little skeptical to believe I got smarter overnite (tho wouldn't that be awesomeeee!!!)

Other's have similar results so I can assume it was just a way easier set?

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Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:08 pm

kmp127 wrote:Mixed Set question --

I got 27/50 on Mixed Set 1 last night and 38/50 on Mixed Set 2 just now. I'm a little skeptical to believe I got smarter overnite (tho wouldn't that be awesomeeee!!!)

Other's have similar results so I can assume it was just a way easier set?

Seems like most people went up a few but that's a great improvement. Chances are the 27/50 was more of a fluke.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby antlp » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:26 pm

DesperadoOfColumbia wrote:
Ineedhelpplease wrote:Hi guys, anybody successfully incorporate the critical pass cards into their studies?...


Great for memorizing black letter law, but how you put that into application is really down to your abilities. Splitting things up makes it more manageable than the CMR outlines I've found.



I agree it's much more manageable than CMR. I like that they're in physical little pieces, so I can set aside the concepts I know and create a pile of my "problem areas" for dedicated study.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby kmp127 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:33 pm

antlp wrote:
DesperadoOfColumbia wrote:
Ineedhelpplease wrote:Hi guys, anybody successfully incorporate the critical pass cards into their studies?...


Great for memorizing black letter law, but how you put that into application is really down to your abilities. Splitting things up makes it more manageable than the CMR outlines I've found.



I agree it's much more manageable than CMR. I like that they're in physical little pieces, so I can set aside the concepts I know and create a pile of my "problem areas" for dedicated study.

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