BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

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Postby musicfor18 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:20 pm

victortsoi wrote:I had to rearrange my schedule, also was sick last week....how long should we be spending on the essays? I know it says 1.5hrs, but how much should we be spending? Thanks.


On the exam, they say to allocate 40 minutes to reach essay, so you should spend about the same on the practice runs. Then, you should compare to the model answer and learn from it, and also grade yourself according to the rubric they give you. I'd say this would probably total to about 1.5 hours.

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Postby rinkrat19 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:21 pm

musicfor18 wrote:
victortsoi wrote:I had to rearrange my schedule, also was sick last week....how long should we be spending on the essays? I know it says 1.5hrs, but how much should we be spending? Thanks.


On the exam, they say to allocate 40 minutes to reach essay, so you should spend about the same on the practice runs. Then, you should compare to the model answer and learn from it, and also grade yourself according to the rubric they give you. I'd say this would probably total to about 1.5 hours.

Oregon only allows 30 minutes per essay (6 essays/3 hours), so apparently it differs by state.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby victortsoi » Sun May 31, 2015 9:24 pm

Thanks alot, very helpful! My plan for tommorow is to do both torts essays and the contracts essay exercise, then watch freer before bed.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Kage3212 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:59 pm

Barbri has us doing our initial essays open book. One of the lectures stated that we should do it this way in the beginning, and for that reason, more time is allocated to do the essay. Unless you have internalized and memorized all rule statements at this point, I am not sure you are expected to complete the essays under the 40 minute time constraints. Later in the program yes, but not now, at least according to one of the "expectation" barbri videos.

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Postby rinkrat19 » Sun May 31, 2015 10:08 pm

Kage3212 wrote:Barbri has us doing our initial essays open book. One of the lectures stated that we should do it this way in the beginning, and for that reason, more time is allocated to do the essay. Unless you have internalized and memorized all rule statements at this point, I am not sure you are expected to complete the essays under the 40 minute time constraints. Later in the program yes, but not now, at least according to one of the "expectation" barbri videos.

I thought it said do ONE essay open book.

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Postby Kage3212 » Sun May 31, 2015 10:29 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
Kage3212 wrote:Barbri has us doing our initial essays open book. One of the lectures stated that we should do it this way in the beginning, and for that reason, more time is allocated to do the essay. Unless you have internalized and memorized all rule statements at this point, I am not sure you are expected to complete the essays under the 40 minute time constraints. Later in the program yes, but not now, at least according to one of the "expectation" barbri videos.

I thought it said do ONE essay open book.


My first Evidence essay was open book, and that is the only full essay that has been assigned thus far (others have been outline only). Later on this week we have another assigned, and the assignment states, "PAH: PA.GEP 1 (Fed Tax, Decedents Estates, Professional Responsibility) (July 2005 Exam - Question #1)-Complete as an open book exam."

So it looks like there are various open book essays to complete throughout the program. So, by following instructions on the assignment, time will vary accordingly.

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Postby Danger Zone » Sun May 31, 2015 10:48 pm

mushybrain wrote:What kind of work are you guys putting in on weekends right now, besides what BarBri assigns?

Why would you need work beyond what barbri assigns? I'd be happy to just be on schedule at this point.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby victortsoi » Sun May 31, 2015 11:15 pm

Wait, I didn't do the first self graded torts essay for NY, do I do that open or closed book?

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Postby mushybrain » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:53 am

Danger Zone wrote:
mushybrain wrote:What kind of work are you guys putting in on weekends right now, besides what BarBri assigns?

Why would you need work beyond what barbri assigns? I'd be happy to just be on schedule at this point.
I mean, that was my take too. I just wanted to compare notes.

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Postby Benjamin1987 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:24 pm

mushybrain wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
mushybrain wrote:What kind of work are you guys putting in on weekends right now, besides what BarBri assigns?

Why would you need work beyond what barbri assigns? I'd be happy to just be on schedule at this point.
I mean, that was my take too. I just wanted to compare notes.


It couldn't hurt to front load the memorization though, right? I envision it to be overwhelming to wait until July to start master the language for the essays...

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Postby mushybrain » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:38 pm

Yeah, I've basically been doing that in places where it says to review lecture notes, because I don't really get anything out of passively looking through them.

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Postby mushybrain » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:02 pm

Property is making me miserable. I can't believe there will be three days of this.

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Postby rinkrat19 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:34 pm

mushybrain wrote:Property is making me miserable. I can't believe there will be three days of this.

It was a godawful 3 days.
And resulted in me doing SO TERRIBLY on the assessment questions that the system assigned me extra work in every single subtopic except Mortgages. :oops:

I don't think my Property class even covered Leases, Mortgages, Deeds, and all that shit.

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Postby mushybrain » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:39 pm

I am certain I will be in the same situation.

Mine didn't cover that stuff either. Not that it really matters because my eyes crossed out of overwhelming boredom then just as much as they do now.

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Postby gk101 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:53 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
mushybrain wrote:Property is making me miserable. I can't believe there will be three days of this.

It was a godawful 3 days.
And resulted in me doing SO TERRIBLY on the assessment questions that the system assigned me extra work in every single subtopic except Mortgages. :oops:

I don't think my Property class even covered Leases, Mortgages, Deeds, and all that shit.

For some reason, the 2012 MBE was filled with questions on these topics and I had no idea what the fuck any of it meant. I really hate Property

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby charlesxavier » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:21 pm

Benjamin1987 wrote:
mushybrain wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
mushybrain wrote:What kind of work are you guys putting in on weekends right now, besides what BarBri assigns?

Why would you need work beyond what barbri assigns? I'd be happy to just be on schedule at this point.
I mean, that was my take too. I just wanted to compare notes.


It couldn't hurt to front load the memorization though, right? I envision it to be overwhelming to wait until July to start master the language for the essays...


That's is what I'm doing. I've been watching the lectures at 1.5-1.75 speed and handling the daily workload relatively well. However, I feel like the essay/study smart practice would be a lot more effective if I had some law memorized. Sure, missing a question and reviewing can help me learn but I feel like it's a waste when I miss a relatively easy question because I couldn't remember a law. I've been working through the Critical Pass flash cards. It's tedious but I'm trying to not get too overwhelmed later in the game.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby old_soul » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:13 pm

Feeling down and a little wiped out. I just did two sets of the Con Law qs on Study Smart. I scored 8/18 on both sets. 45% :( :oops: Face palm. I know that I should've gotten at the very least 2-3 more correct on both because they were silly errors.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby Lacepiece23 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:53 pm

old_soul wrote:Feeling down and a little wiped out. I just did two sets of the Con Law qs on Study Smart. I scored 8/18 on both sets. 45% :( :oops: Face palm. I know that I should've gotten at the very least 2-3 more correct on both because they were silly errors.


Don't feel bad man. Got destroyed on evidence the other day. I think its going to happen in different subjects for different people. Even if you were good at a particular subject in law school.

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Postby waxecstatic » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:09 pm

Could someone please tell me what to do about the unabridged outlines for the MBE subjects. On the one hand they give examples to demonstrate certain concepts but on the other hand they are so dense with information they sort of confuse and overwhelm me. The CMR is good but it simply states rules and doesn't always mention some exception or give any example to demonstrate how something works. The only discrepancy is the unabridged goes into greater detail on the different ways rules work but I feel if I only go by the CMR I am missing out.

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Postby Kage3212 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:32 pm

Are people still "preparing" for class at this point by reading CMR prior to? I am attempting to read the CMR prior to property which starts tomorrow and it might as well be a foreign language. I know this was a topic of conversation (maybe in some other thread) but interested to see if bypassing some of the CMR prepare readings is credited.

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Postby rinkrat19 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:33 pm

waxecstatic wrote:Could someone please tell me what to do about the unabridged outlines for the MBE subjects. On the one hand they give examples to demonstrate certain concepts but on the other hand they are so dense with information they sort of confuse and overwhelm me. The CMR is good but it simply states rules and doesn't always mention some exception or give any example to demonstrate how something works. The only discrepancy is the unabridged goes into greater detail on the different ways rules work but I feel if I only go by the CMR I am missing out.

Barbri says to use the big outlines to look up subjects you don't understand from the CMR, and subtopics you don't do well on in the questions. At no point have I heard them say read the big outlines straight through.

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby waxecstatic » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:39 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
waxecstatic wrote:Could someone please tell me what to do about the unabridged outlines for the MBE subjects. On the one hand they give examples to demonstrate certain concepts but on the other hand they are so dense with information they sort of confuse and overwhelm me. The CMR is good but it simply states rules and doesn't always mention some exception or give any example to demonstrate how something works. The only discrepancy is the unabridged goes into greater detail on the different ways rules work but I feel if I only go by the CMR I am missing out.

Barbri says to use the big outlines to look up subjects you don't understand from the CMR, and subtopics you don't do well on in the questions. At no point have I heard them say read the big outlines straight through.


Thanks for that insight...duly noted. :)

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby myrtlewinston » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:42 pm

Kage3212 wrote:Are people still "preparing" for class at this point by reading CMR prior to? I am attempting to read the CMR prior to property which starts tomorrow and it might as well be a foreign language. I know this was a topic of conversation (maybe in some other thread) but interested to see if bypassing some of the CMR prepare readings is credited.


I've given up. I watch the lectures and integrate my notes with the CriticalPass summaries. It's still a lot of work!

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Postby Danger Zone » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:49 pm

myrtlewinston wrote:
Kage3212 wrote:Are people still "preparing" for class at this point by reading CMR prior to? I am attempting to read the CMR prior to property which starts tomorrow and it might as well be a foreign language. I know this was a topic of conversation (maybe in some other thread) but interested to see if bypassing some of the CMR prepare readings is credited.


I've given up. I watch the lectures and integrate my notes with the CriticalPass summaries. It's still a lot of work!

Same

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Re: BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby mushybrain » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:50 pm

I don't do the prep stuff either. I don't absorb anything so it seems like a waste of time.




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