Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby RB78 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:50 pm

9 days later and I still find myself depressed about essay#1 and essay #3. I cannot see myself getting that passing number of 40/100 on either of those essays, but think I was solid on Essay #2 (FL Con Law). I was confident about passing beforehand but those essays have me struggling to come up with scenarios where I still pass despite essay #1 and #3.

If a 40/100 average on the essays is passing for FL day 1 I think that my only hope is luckily getting 20/100 on essay #1 (some how a TPR only question...), 70+/100 on essay #2 and somehow pulling off a 10-20/100 on essay 3 (only felt decent about half of the secured transaction part and completely blew the commercial paper part). This would leave me only at a 10 point or so deficit below passing on the essay portion and then hopefully the FL multiple choice will save me (was averaging roughly 60-65/100 on the practice tests and felt average leaving the actual test). Next, if I fail the Florida side, hopefully its only by a small margin and a 150 or so on the MBE could save me with the average to pass the overall, but I thought MBE afternoon was really hard so I'm not overly confident about the MBE giving me a major boost.

My bar passage rides on the question of how many points will a half correct secured transactions answer get me on essay #3 because I don't see myself gaining any points on the commercial paper portion of essay #3 or the consignment BS portion of the secured transaction part of essay #3...

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby lapin » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:33 pm

I am in a very similar boat as you RB78, especially with Essay 3. I completely blew off the Article 3 portion due to time constraints, more than anything else. I wrote a good enough answer to the Article 9 portion involving Uncle. Other than that, really nothing. I wonder how many points that is worth.

Another thing that I can't get off of my mind is that I used strict scrutiny with age instead of rational basis in Question 2. I knew age was rational basis on the Federal level, but for some reason incorrectly thought it was strict scrutiny in Florida. I knew I was wrong with about 2 minutes left and there was nothing I could do at that point. I haven't stopped thinking about it since last Tuesday.

I feel better about the Florida multiple choice and the MBE... hopefully, I am right about that feeling and can overcome the absolute trash I wrote on Tuesday morning.

I still can't believe how horrible my essays were.

Sigh.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby lapin » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:39 pm

I also laughed when they told people to write "NO ANSWER" if they didn't have anything. I wonder if anyone did that.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby not guilty » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:15 pm

lapin wrote:I also laughed when they told people to write "NO ANSWER" if they didn't have anything. I wonder if anyone did that.

Hmmm, that doesn't seem like a fair instruction.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby not guilty » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:25 pm

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby RB78 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:12 pm

lapin wrote:I also laughed when they told people to write "NO ANSWER" if they didn't have anything. I wonder if anyone did that.


I've heard of a few people that left a blank page for essay #3. Hopefully that helps the scaling for us people who only knew 1/4 of essay #3 and BSed the rest of it...

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby RB78 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:52 pm

lapin wrote:I am in a very similar boat as you RB78, especially with Essay 3. I completely blew off the Article 3 portion due to time constraints, more than anything else. I wrote a good enough answer to the Article 9 portion involving Uncle. Other than that, really nothing. I wonder how many points that is worth.

Another thing that I can't get off of my mind is that I used strict scrutiny with age instead of rational basis in Question 2. I knew age was rational basis on the Federal level, but for some reason incorrectly thought it was strict scrutiny in Florida. I knew I was wrong with about 2 minutes left and there was nothing I could do at that point. I haven't stopped thinking about it since last Tuesday.

I feel better about the Florida multiple choice and the MBE... hopefully, I am right about that feeling and can overcome the absolute trash I wrote on Tuesday morning.

I still can't believe how horrible my essays were.

Sigh.


Disclaimer: I am not typing out any of this because I think that these are the correct answers, I'm just looking for point worthiness opinions and scaling opinions

For essay #3, the Uncle was the only part that I felt alright about (Uncle attached and perfected by possession plus properly noted his interest on the title to the car and so Uncle had priority in the car over the bank). For the Bank's portion I felt that I picked up a couple points but was not killing it by any means. I felt that the description of the collateral in the Bank's security agreement was too generic as it listed "all personal items". I know this might work for commercial items and that you can have description that covers all of one category of collateral (i.e. "all inventory" or "all equipment") but their security agreement did not do this. Therefore, I felt that the Bank's security agreement was invalid and that its security interests might fail entirely, but I went on to describe what I thought would happen if the security agreement was valid and attached, which was basically that they would have priority in everything but the consignment items and the car that the Uncle had priority in.

Then the consignment stuff was a complete no-go other than I said that a person cannot give another person a security interest in goods that they do not own themselves. I said maybe the bank was entitled to her 25% cut of any sale of that merchandise that was consigned to her by the other guy but I put that they cannot foreclose on the unsold consigned items as the lady did not have the right to put those items up as collateral in the first place. (I could be completely wrong about all of this, but maybe a charity point or two? haha) Like I said, hopefully good for a 10/100 before scaling and maybe because some people left question 3 completely blank, a 20/100 after scaling or something?

For essay #1, I described some stuff about shelter hearings and dependency adjudications and "case plans" hoping that would at least get me some charity points. Then I talked about how parental rights are fundamental due process rights, but that these rights are balanced with the state's compelling interest in protecting the welfare of children. I put that DCF may act to shelter/terminate parental rights where a child has been abused, abandoned or neglected and here the child had been abandoned. Then I put that DCF was required to do a diligent search for the identity of the parents using postal/law enforcement info and at least one online database. (not sure if this is right)

I basically put that this stuff required them to give notice to the mother because they had her name on the birth certificate (would not have been hard for DCF to notify her) and so she should have had the right to be notified of the TPR proceeding and also the right to an attorney, to call witnesses etc. This being the case, I put that she may have been able to successfully challenge the TPR proceedings, although I have heard that the 13 month delay may be a problem... (Also, spoke to others who put that this was not the case because she impliedly consented to the adoption by dropping the baby off at the fire station = no notice required)

For the Father, I basically put that he denied paternity, did not have any connection to the baby within the first year of the baby's life, and his name was not on the birth certificate so he was not entitled to notification of the TPR proceedings because a diligent search would not have led the DCF to him anyway. Therefore, I put that father was not entitled to notice.

Put that grandparents were not entitled to notice because only parents have fundamental due process parenting rights and grandparents have been held to not have such rights.

For the adoption I put that the fact that it was a same sex couple does not matter and that DCF would do a thorough home study and background check on all potential adopters and persons in their home over the age of 12. I put that reunification is the primary goal but after TPR proceedings adoption becomes the primary goal. Then I put that the parents or grandparents may petition the court to allow some sort of contact with the child but that the adopted parents can block that simply by not consenting as parents lose all rights after TPR and grandparents had no rights to begin with. (again not sure if any of this was 100% correct was just fishing for points haha)

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Mbeezy561 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:31 pm

lapin wrote:I am in a very similar boat as you RB78, especially with Essay 3. I completely blew off the Article 3 portion due to time constraints, more than anything else. I wrote a good enough answer to the Article 9 portion involving Uncle. Other than that, really nothing. I wonder how many points that is worth.

Another thing that I can't get off of my mind is that I used strict scrutiny with age instead of rational basis in Question 2. I knew age was rational basis on the Federal level, but for some reason incorrectly thought it was strict scrutiny in Florida. I knew I was wrong with about 2 minutes left and there was nothing I could do at that point. I haven't stopped thinking about it since last Tuesday.

I feel better about the Florida multiple choice and the MBE... hopefully, I am right about that feeling and can overcome the absolute trash I wrote on Tuesday morning.

I still can't believe how horrible my essays were.

Sigh.


It's the MC that probably destroyed me. BE probably destroyed my chances of a passing grade on FL

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby lapin » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:21 pm

The bar review course I took said in its lecture that only general partnerships were tested, and not limited ones, so when I saw questions about limited partnerships, I was annoyed. No clue if I got any of the LP questions right.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby lapin » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:22 pm

RB78 wrote:
lapin wrote:I also laughed when they told people to write "NO ANSWER" if they didn't have anything. I wonder if anyone did that.


I've heard of a few people that left a blank page for essay #3. Hopefully that helps the scaling for us people who only knew 1/4 of essay #3 and BSed the rest of it...


This can go a few ways. One of which is maybe those people knocked it out of the park on Essays 1 & 2, so a zero on Essay 3 may not be so bad.

Another is the way you said.. maybe it helps those of us who at least wrote something. Here's to hoping it's this.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby hockeyman969 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:23 am

The consignment issue is similar to any other article 9 issue...ive stayed away to just avoid thinking about it.

Unfortunately I met an older gentleman who practiced commercial law with 9 and 3 in NY for 37 years, he knew his shit.

I found out some of the law I was shaky on was 100%.

As far as #2 goes, I did that under FL Con Law and a brief first amendment analysis, hammered on the 4th amendment issue, and took the Pro. Res. Issue head on.

As for essay 3 I added an ethics paragraph that basically advised of the pitfalls of multiple representation and the number of ethical concerns that come into play.

TO EVERYONE FREAKING OUT ABOUT MISSED ISSUES: I Missed at least 6 issues on the Multi State Essay Exam component of the Uniform Bar Exam (taken in NY) and I passed with a ton of points to spare. Don't dwell on it, be like Elsa and "Let it Go" until Sept 18.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Flo2017bartkr » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:50 pm

RB78 wrote:
lapin wrote:I am in a very similar boat as you RB78, especially with Essay 3. I completely blew off the Article 3 portion due to time constraints, more than anything else. I wrote a good enough answer to the Article 9 portion involving Uncle. Other than that, really nothing. I wonder how many points that is worth.

Another thing that I can't get off of my mind is that I used strict scrutiny with age instead of rational basis in Question 2. I knew age was rational basis on the Federal level, but for some reason incorrectly thought it was strict scrutiny in Florida. I knew I was wrong with about 2 minutes left and there was nothing I could do at that point. I haven't stopped thinking about it since last Tuesday.

I feel better about the Florida multiple choice and the MBE... hopefully, I am right about that feeling and can overcome the absolute trash I wrote on Tuesday morning.

I still can't believe how horrible my essays were.

Sigh.


Disclaimer: I am not typing out any of this because I think that these are the correct answers, I'm just looking for point worthiness opinions and scaling opinions

For essay #3, the Uncle was the only part that I felt alright about (Uncle attached and perfected by possession plus properly noted his interest on the title to the car and so Uncle had priority in the car over the bank). For the Bank's portion I felt that I picked up a couple points but was not killing it by any means. I felt that the description of the collateral in the Bank's security agreement was too generic as it listed "all personal items". I know this might work for commercial items and that you can have description that covers all of one category of collateral (i.e. "all inventory" or "all equipment") but their security agreement did not do this. Therefore, I felt that the Bank's security agreement was invalid and that its security interests might fail entirely, but I went on to describe what I thought would happen if the security agreement was valid and attached, which was basically that they would have priority in everything but the consignment items and the car that the Uncle had priority in.

Then the consignment stuff was a complete no-go other than I said that a person cannot give another person a security interest in goods that they do not own themselves. I said maybe the bank was entitled to her 25% cut of any sale of that merchandise that was consigned to her by the other guy but I put that they cannot foreclose on the unsold consigned items as the lady did not have the right to put those items up as collateral in the first place. (I could be completely wrong about all of this, but maybe a charity point or two? haha) Like I said, hopefully good for a 10/100 before scaling and maybe because some people left question 3 completely blank, a 20/100 after scaling or something?

For essay #1, I described some stuff about shelter hearings and dependency adjudications and "case plans" hoping that would at least get me some charity points. Then I talked about how parental rights are fundamental due process rights, but that these rights are balanced with the state's compelling interest in protecting the welfare of children. I put that DCF may act to shelter/terminate parental rights where a child has been abused, abandoned or neglected and here the child had been abandoned. Then I put that DCF was required to do a diligent search for the identity of the parents using postal/law enforcement info and at least one online database. (not sure if this is right)

I basically put that this stuff required them to give notice to the mother because they had her name on the birth certificate (would not have been hard for DCF to notify her) and so she should have had the right to be notified of the TPR proceeding and also the right to an attorney, to call witnesses etc. This being the case, I put that she may have been able to successfully challenge the TPR proceedings, although I have heard that the 13 month delay may be a problem... (Also, spoke to others who put that this was not the case because she impliedly consented to the adoption by dropping the baby off at the fire station = no notice required)

For the Father, I basically put that he denied paternity, did not have any connection to the baby within the first year of the baby's life, and his name was not on the birth certificate so he was not entitled to notification of the TPR proceedings because a diligent search would not have led the DCF to him anyway. Therefore, I put that father was not entitled to notice.

Put that grandparents were not entitled to notice because only parents have fundamental due process parenting rights and grandparents have been held to not have such rights.

For the adoption I put that the fact that it was a same sex couple does not matter and that DCF would do a thorough home study and background check on all potential adopters and persons in their home over the age of 12. I put that reunification is the primary goal but after TPR proceedings adoption becomes the primary goal. Then I put that the parents or grandparents may petition the court to allow some sort of contact with the child but that the adopted parents can block that simply by not consenting as parents lose all rights after TPR and grandparents had no rights to begin with. (again not sure if any of this was 100% correct was just fishing for points haha)[/quot. Except, in Essay 1 the baby was not abandoned. She was legally surrendered under Florida's Safe Haven Law.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Flo2017bartkr » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:01 pm

RB78 wrote:
lapin wrote:I am in a very similar boat as you RB78, especially with Essay 3. I completely blew off the Article 3 portion due to time constraints, more than anything else. I wrote a good enough answer to the Article 9 portion involving Uncle. Other than that, really nothing. I wonder how many points that is worth.

Another thing that I can't get off of my mind is that I used strict scrutiny with age instead of rational basis in Question 2. I knew age was rational basis on the Federal level, but for some reason incorrectly thought it was strict scrutiny in Florida. I knew I was wrong with about 2 minutes left and there was nothing I could do at that point. I haven't stopped thinking about it since last Tuesday.

I feel better about the Florida multiple choice and the MBE... hopefully, I am right about that feeling and can overcome the absolute trash I wrote on Tuesday morning.

I still can't believe how horrible my essays were.

Sigh.


Disclaimer: I am not typing out any of this because I think that these are the correct answers, I'm just looking for point worthiness opinions and scaling opinions

For essay #3, the Uncle was the only part that I felt alright about (Uncle attached and perfected by possession plus properly noted his interest on the title to the car and so Uncle had priority in the car over the bank). For the Bank's portion I felt that I picked up a couple points but was not killing it by any means. I felt that the description of the collateral in the Bank's security agreement was too generic as it listed "all personal items". I know this might work for commercial items and that you can have description that covers all of one category of collateral (i.e. "all inventory" or "all equipment") but their security agreement did not do this. Therefore, I felt that the Bank's security agreement was invalid and that its security interests might fail entirely, but I went on to describe what I thought would happen if the security agreement was valid and attached, which was basically that they would have priority in everything but the consignment items and the car that the Uncle had priority in.

Then the consignment stuff was a complete no-go other than I said that a person cannot give another person a security interest in goods that they do not own themselves. I said maybe the bank was entitled to her 25% cut of any sale of that merchandise that was consigned to her by the other guy but I put that they cannot foreclose on the unsold consigned items as the lady did not have the right to put those items up as collateral in the first place. (I could be completely wrong about all of this, but maybe a charity point or two? haha) Like I said, hopefully good for a 10/100 before scaling and maybe because some people left question 3 completely blank, a 20/100 after scaling or something?

For essay #1, I described some stuff about shelter hearings and dependency adjudications and "case plans" hoping that would at least get me some charity points. Then I talked about how parental rights are fundamental due process rights, but that these rights are balanced with the state's compelling interest in protecting the welfare of children. I put that DCF may act to shelter/terminate parental rights where a child has been abused, abandoned or neglected and here the child had been abandoned. Then I put that DCF was required to do a diligent search for the identity of the parents using postal/law enforcement info and at least one online database. (not sure if this is right)

I basically put that this stuff required them to give notice to the mother because they had her name on the birth certificate (would not have been hard for DCF to notify her) and so she should have had the right to be notified of the TPR proceeding and also the right to an attorney, to call witnesses etc. This being the case, I put that she may have been able to successfully challenge the TPR proceedings, although I have heard that the 13 month delay may be a problem... (Also, spoke to others who put that this was not the case because she impliedly consented to the adoption by dropping the baby off at the fire station = no notice required)

For the Father, I basically put that he denied paternity, did not have any connection to the baby within the first year of the baby's life, and his name was not on the birth certificate so he was not entitled to notification of the TPR proceedings because a diligent search would not have led the DCF to him anyway. Therefore, I put that father was not entitled to notice.

Put that grandparents were not entitled to notice because only parents have fundamental due process parenting rights and grandparents have been held to not have such rights.

For the adoption I put that the fact that it was a same sex couple does not matter and that DCF would do a thorough home study and background check on all potential adopters and persons in their home over the age of 12. I put that reunification is the primary goal but after TPR proceedings adoption becomes the primary goal. Then I put that the parents or grandparents may petition the court to allow some sort of contact with the child but that the adopted parents can block that simply by not consenting as parents lose all rights after TPR and grandparents had no rights to begin with. (again not sure if any of this was 100% correct was just fishing for points haha)

.......Except Essay1 was about the legal surrender of the infant under Florida's Safe Haven Law, not an abandoned infant... The reason you have never heard of it is because it has probably never been taught at any law school, ever. It was completely random and obscure...???? No idea why it wss tested.....
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby RB78 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:46 pm

Flo2017bartkr wrote:
RB78 wrote:
lapin wrote:I am in a very similar boat as you RB78, especially with Essay 3. I completely blew off the Article 3 portion due to time constraints, more than anything else. I wrote a good enough answer to the Article 9 portion involving Uncle. Other than that, really nothing. I wonder how many points that is worth.

Another thing that I can't get off of my mind is that I used strict scrutiny with age instead of rational basis in Question 2. I knew age was rational basis on the Federal level, but for some reason incorrectly thought it was strict scrutiny in Florida. I knew I was wrong with about 2 minutes left and there was nothing I could do at that point. I haven't stopped thinking about it since last Tuesday.

I feel better about the Florida multiple choice and the MBE... hopefully, I am right about that feeling and can overcome the absolute trash I wrote on Tuesday morning.

I still can't believe how horrible my essays were.

Sigh.


Disclaimer: I am not typing out any of this because I think that these are the correct answers, I'm just looking for point worthiness opinions and scaling opinions

For essay #3, the Uncle was the only part that I felt alright about (Uncle attached and perfected by possession plus properly noted his interest on the title to the car and so Uncle had priority in the car over the bank). For the Bank's portion I felt that I picked up a couple points but was not killing it by any means. I felt that the description of the collateral in the Bank's security agreement was too generic as it listed "all personal items". I know this might work for commercial items and that you can have description that covers all of one category of collateral (i.e. "all inventory" or "all equipment") but their security agreement did not do this. Therefore, I felt that the Bank's security agreement was invalid and that its security interests might fail entirely, but I went on to describe what I thought would happen if the security agreement was valid and attached, which was basically that they would have priority in everything but the consignment items and the car that the Uncle had priority in.

Then the consignment stuff was a complete no-go other than I said that a person cannot give another person a security interest in goods that they do not own themselves. I said maybe the bank was entitled to her 25% cut of any sale of that merchandise that was consigned to her by the other guy but I put that they cannot foreclose on the unsold consigned items as the lady did not have the right to put those items up as collateral in the first place. (I could be completely wrong about all of this, but maybe a charity point or two? haha) Like I said, hopefully good for a 10/100 before scaling and maybe because some people left question 3 completely blank, a 20/100 after scaling or something?

For essay #1, I described some stuff about shelter hearings and dependency adjudications and "case plans" hoping that would at least get me some charity points. Then I talked about how parental rights are fundamental due process rights, but that these rights are balanced with the state's compelling interest in protecting the welfare of children. I put that DCF may act to shelter/terminate parental rights where a child has been abused, abandoned or neglected and here the child had been abandoned. Then I put that DCF was required to do a diligent search for the identity of the parents using postal/law enforcement info and at least one online database. (not sure if this is right)

I basically put that this stuff required them to give notice to the mother because they had her name on the birth certificate (would not have been hard for DCF to notify her) and so she should have had the right to be notified of the TPR proceeding and also the right to an attorney, to call witnesses etc. This being the case, I put that she may have been able to successfully challenge the TPR proceedings, although I have heard that the 13 month delay may be a problem... (Also, spoke to others who put that this was not the case because she impliedly consented to the adoption by dropping the baby off at the fire station = no notice required)

For the Father, I basically put that he denied paternity, did not have any connection to the baby within the first year of the baby's life, and his name was not on the birth certificate so he was not entitled to notification of the TPR proceedings because a diligent search would not have led the DCF to him anyway. Therefore, I put that father was not entitled to notice.

Put that grandparents were not entitled to notice because only parents have fundamental due process parenting rights and grandparents have been held to not have such rights.

For the adoption I put that the fact that it was a same sex couple does not matter and that DCF would do a thorough home study and background check on all potential adopters and persons in their home over the age of 12. I put that reunification is the primary goal but after TPR proceedings adoption becomes the primary goal. Then I put that the parents or grandparents may petition the court to allow some sort of contact with the child but that the adopted parents can block that simply by not consenting as parents lose all rights after TPR and grandparents had no rights to begin with. (again not sure if any of this was 100% correct was just fishing for points haha)

.......Except Essay1 was about the legal surrender of the infant under Florida's Safe Haven Law, not an abandoned infant...


As I said in my original post, I was not saying that what I put was correct (essay #1 and #3 were shit shows for me). I have never heard of "Florida's Safe Haven Law" (thanks a lot Barbri), but what I was wondering was if I'd get any points for putting what I did put, despite the fact that my answer made no mention of "Florida's Safe Haven Law".

Furthermore, after looking up Florida's Safe Haven Law just now, what I put was almost exactly correct under Florida's Safe Haven Laws before they were amended in 2008 (complete luck). I wonder if I will get any credit for at least being kinda correct under an outdated version of the law (the law was amended in 2008 making my answer wrong....sigh) ?

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby DWS07224 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:26 am

If you didn't pass, how will you cope?

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby lapin » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:27 pm

Reading these posts about the FL Safe Haven Law actually makes me feel better because I'd be willing to bet that less than 5% of the exam takers ever heard of it, let alone wrote about it.

And.....if passing the bar is dependent on knowing that law, well then, I never had a shot from day one, anyway.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Derek Vinyard » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:46 pm

DWS07224 wrote:If you didn't pass, how will you cope?


Get drunk, then take it again in February.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby lapin » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:50 pm

DWS07224 wrote:If you didn't pass, how will you cope?


Good question. I am already an attorney in CT, but want to make changes in my life. Was offered something in FL, which was my whole motivation for taking the test. If I blew it, I'll have to first see if that offer is still open and then assess.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Derek Vinyard » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:51 pm

lapin wrote:I also laughed when they told people to write "NO ANSWER" if they didn't have anything. I wonder if anyone did that.


Any person who wrote that for essay #3 received an automatic pass.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Young Marino » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:58 pm

Derek Vinyard wrote:
DWS07224 wrote:If you didn't pass, how will you cope?


Get drunk, then take it again in February.

This. Don't even want to give this scenario much thought unless it really happens but my firm said even if I happen to fail this sick joke of a test, I still have a job. No other choice than to get back on the saddle and retake after getting wasted although I really don't want to think about going through that process again.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby remainderman » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:25 pm

not guilty wrote:
remainderman wrote:Hey everyone, when you have a chance please vote on the other Florida Bar Forum

viewtopic.php?f=41&t=280124

yes, we see your spam. it doesn't even make sense to say "king of florida mbe" lol.

and that's not a different "forum."


Hello Not Guilty,

It's not spam. It's just another thread talking about the Bar and MBE. I also included a poll so everyone can get an understanding of how each other felt about the Bar and MBE. In regards to "the king of the Florida MBE" quote, you misquoted me. Anyways, it was referring to him as (in my opinion) the best source in Florida for learning how to tackle the MBE. Cool your jets and relax, nobody is trying to take away from your "thread," because nobody honestly cares who started what thread.

This thread has been somewhat informative, but it digresses onto different topics. If anyone is interested in seeing the poll results, wants to vote, or post about the bar or MBE, then please visit viewtopic.php?f=41&t=280124

Thanks everyone :)

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby LuluCoco » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:43 pm

First of all, I don't think bar examiners were looking for people to discuss the Safe Haven law exclusively, if at all. Just because the Safe Haven law is applicable to the situation in Question #1, doesn't mean that it's the "right" answer. The lack of notice vs. 1 year statute of repose is still the main issue in the first part of Q. #1 (re: whether or not mother could set aside judgment). Furthermore, if there was a "right" answer, that answer would be "No" because Florida law contains a strict one year statute of repose for judgments of adoption and related judgments terminating parental rights.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes, I absolutely think you get points for discussing pertinent issues related to Safe Haven law, regardless of whether or not you mention the law by name and/or cited the old law. I've noticed in reading old exam answers published by Fl. Board of Bar Examiners that many of those answers, which are apparently "the best answers" submitted, contain mistakes of law and/or omit certain significant issues entirely. For example, the Property question in the Feb. 2017 exam beings up a tax deed issue, which I would have thought was a major issue in the question. But, the model answer for that question does not seem to even mention the tax deed, much less discuss the issue.

My question is this - some of those model/best answers are incredibly long and detailed, e.g., 5 pages or more of single-spaced type. I am a pretty fast typist and I doubt I could type 5 single spaced pages in an hour (with remarkably few typos to boot), even without having to first read and formulate an answer to a lengthy essay question. How do these people manage to write so much in so little time? Are they just incredibly fast? Am I just super slow?

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby hockeyman969 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:51 am

I've spoken to 4 family law practitioners, 3 who primarily practice in Florida who told me the 12 month rule for judgments is absolutely an issue in the analysis, so Idk who the others have spoken too. Then again there are keyboard warriors in here.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby LuluCoco » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:11 pm

I agree the 12 month rule is absolute an issue - I just wish I'd thought to discuss it in my analysis. (All I could remember re: Dependency law was DCF's failure to make diligent search and file affidavit to that effect so I focused on that - I was too panicky to recognize the 12 month issue.) My point was merely that: 1. I don't think the question was just asking about the Safe Haven Law; 2. to the extent the question was asking about the Safe Haven Law, I think one absolutely gets points for discussing issues implicated by that law; and, 3. I don't think there's any absolutely "right" answer to this or any other question.

Also, still really curious about length of some of the model answers - perhaps I am not as fast a typist as I thought. Or are extremely long model answers perhaps from people who had extra time on exam? (Although the fact that so many of the model answers seem to be lengthy seems to make that unlikely, at least statistically.)

Finally, is the fact that the mom and dad/boyfriend had since gotten married significant vis-a-vis a presumption of fatherhood?

I need to just get over this exam and stop obsessing about it - but I feel like it's haunting me!

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby SilvermanBarPrep » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:19 pm

not guilty wrote:
SilvermanBarPrep wrote:
Fair enough. Agreed! Outlines is not the correct word.


You should do a "Florida Part A Essentials." Or just Part A focused materials in general.


Thanks. Very much considering this. The one thing that's holding me back is the possibility that Florida might soon switch over to the UBE. It's a lot of work! ;)




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