July 2015 California Bar Exam

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Worker and Parasite » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:33 pm

corpora_delicti wrote:Does anyone know how to access MBE scores?


Did anyone find out how to do this yet for those of us who were unsuccessful? Or do we wait for snail mail?

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby jonathanjlo » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:58 pm

Had a 2.7 GPA at Southwestern. Started studying in December. Took only bar related classes my last semester. Used BARBRI and finished all the assignments. During the last two weeks leading up to the exam, went over each topic once and worked on weaknesses. After day 1, reviewed only the MBE subjects. After day 2, worked on only what you think the last days' subjects will be. Took time off work to dedicate full time to BARBRI. This formula worked for me.

Hope this helps guys!

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:33 pm

Worker and Parasite wrote:
corpora_delicti wrote:Does anyone know how to access MBE scores?


Did anyone find out how to do this yet for those of us who were unsuccessful? Or do we wait for snail mail?


If you failed, your score information is mailed, and you'll receive a subsequent packet with your essays and PT's. If you passed, you cannot receive score information.

There is a roundabout way for anybody (including passers) to determine a floor/ceiling for their MBE scores, which requires processing a request through the NCBE to see if your score meets or exceeds the score required by DC (133) and MN (145) and ND (150) to qualify for admission without examination. Costs $25 and can be used through NCBE's score services.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby legalize-it » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:43 pm

gaagoots wrote:I passed the f*cking BAH!!!!!!!!!! I am totally doing a Rod Tidwell dance from Jerry Maguire!

This who were unsuccessful, I made it over the 100 point bulge rule, I scored over 127 points with my unlucky 1313 points from Feb. It can be done!!


Hi,
What is the 100 point bulge rule and how does it affect scores/grading?

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:53 pm

legalize-it wrote:
gaagoots wrote:I passed the f*cking BAH!!!!!!!!!! I am totally doing a Rod Tidwell dance from Jerry Maguire!

This who were unsuccessful, I made it over the 100 point bulge rule, I scored over 127 points with my unlucky 1313 points from Feb. It can be done!!


Hi,
What is the 100 point bulge rule and how does it affect scores/grading?


I believe she was making a nerdy law school joke re: Personal Jurisdictions--haha. Bulge Rule is an exception where the federal courts can establish PJ if the defendant is, for example, served within 100 miles of the filing court. Regardless, there is no rule that affects scores and grading other than giving them exactly what they want to see.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby gaagoots » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:21 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
legalize-it wrote:
gaagoots wrote:I passed the f*cking BAH!!!!!!!!!! I am totally doing a Rod Tidwell dance from Jerry Maguire!

This who were unsuccessful, I made it over the 100 point bulge rule, I scored over 127 points with my unlucky 1313 points from Feb. It can be done!!


Hi,
What is the 100 point bulge rule and how does it affect scores/grading?


I believe she was making a nerdy law school joke re: Personal Jurisdictions--haha. Bulge Rule is an exception where the federal courts can establish PJ if the defendant is, for example, served within 100 miles of the filing court. Regardless, there is no rule that affects scores and grading other than giving them exactly what they want to see.


Yup I'm totally a nerd. It was not related to that civ pro area just that getting over a 100 point mountain made me think of the 100 mile bulge rule.

P.S. The pass list was posted this a.m. I'm too nice to return the sentiments to someone who rubbed it in my face in May.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Calicakes » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:29 pm

BuenAbogado wrote:By the way, this was my third time. All odds were against me. I really attribute my success to A. Using Adaptibar like a mad man and B. Getting a tutor that made me write a shit load of essays.



I did BOTH and I still failed. At least I think I failed. I cant find my ID number( only my file number) so I checked the bar admission page and it says I didnt pass the Cal bar so I'm assuming I didn't pass. Won't I be surprised tomorrow if I find out otherwise.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby 6TimeFailure » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:32 pm

Calicakes wrote:
BuenAbogado wrote:By the way, this was my third time. All odds were against me. I really attribute my success to A. Using Adaptibar like a mad man and B. Getting a tutor that made me write a shit load of essays.



I did BOTH and I still failed. At least I think I failed. I cant find my ID number( only my file number) so I checked the bar admission page and it says I didnt pass the Cal bar so I'm assuming I didn't pass. Won't I be surprised tomorrow if I find out otherwise.



You can also check by name search on the bar site. They posted it this morning.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Calicakes » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:34 pm

Zaizei wrote:For all of the ones who failed this exam: are you planning to sit for the next exam? When are you planning to start studying? I am certainly clueless.


No, I decided NOT to take Feb, I'm waiting until July. I feel like I need more time and I want to start studying in April for 4hrs a day instead of waiting until Late May and doing 12hrs a day. I have a disability and take meds that cause a lot of fatigue so I think that will work best for me.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Biotech » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:09 pm

Still haven't looked. Thought about it but why ruin a very nice Sunday night. Mondays have less going for them.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Calicakes » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:39 pm

6TimeFailure wrote:
Calicakes wrote:
BuenAbogado wrote:By the way, this was my third time. All odds were against me. I really attribute my success to A. Using Adaptibar like a mad man and B. Getting a tutor that made me write a shit load of essays.



I did BOTH and I still failed. At least I think I failed. I cant find my ID number( only my file number) so I checked the bar admission page and it says I didnt pass the Cal bar so I'm assuming I didn't pass. Won't I be surprised tomorrow if I find out otherwise.



You can also check by name search on the bar site. They posted it this morning.



Saw my last name, wrong first name though. LOL. For a second I was excited.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:06 pm

gaagoots wrote:P.S. The pass list was posted this a.m. I'm too nice to return the sentiments to someone who rubbed it in my face in May.


Karma.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby catechumen » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:23 am

I think we need to lobby the governor's office over this test. The Governor failed the CA Bar his 1st time, believe it or not. Instead of complaining lets actually do something about this! With the pass rate at well below sub 50% this is nuts. There are states were the pass rates range from the 70's to the 90's. Why does CA have to have such a difficult exam? A bit of lobbying may actually get the Bar to make real changes.

This is also a 30 year low for pass rates. Perhaps with some pressure the Bar could be made to make some real changes that would put the CA bar in line with the vast majority of the nation. Having a test this difficult is nothing more than a barrier to entry. It is a joke that this is simply a test of minimum competence, when the majority of attorneys who took the exam flunked it too. Better yet, lets randomly have those on the committee that design the test take a past exam, and see how they do. I suspect the results would be enlightening. If it's a test of 'minimum competence' they should have no trouble, right?

Incidentally, I have not checked my results yet. Waiting for the letter in the mail. (I want my scores if I flunked.) Given that I have taken this test a couple of times, I am not optimistic.

Oh and if anyone has any test resources they want to message my way, I will take them. I need all the help I can get!

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Biotech » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:46 am

Calicakes wrote:
6TimeFailure wrote:
Calicakes wrote:

Saw my last name, wrong first name though. LOL. For a second I was excited.



:( I'm sorry! Truly.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby fadedsunrise » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:29 pm

Half a mind to start studying tonight and the other half a mind to wait until after Thanksgiving at least. I'm obviously dumb enough to have failed with full time study this summer so is the answer more studying? Better studying sounds great and all but what is better studying?

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Notorious RBG » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:52 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
Worker and Parasite wrote:
corpora_delicti wrote:Does anyone know how to access MBE scores?


Did anyone find out how to do this yet for those of us who were unsuccessful? Or do we wait for snail mail?


If you failed, your score information is mailed, and you'll receive a subsequent packet with your essays and PT's. If you passed, you cannot receive score information.

There is a roundabout way for anybody (including passers) to determine a floor/ceiling for their MBE scores, which requires processing a request through the NCBE to see if your score meets or exceeds the score required by DC (133) and MN (145) and ND (150) to qualify for admission without examination. Costs $25 and can be used through NCBE's score services.


I was coming here to post about this- so worth the $25 bucks. I found out I'm somewhere between MN and ND. It shouldn't matter but it does anyway. And you can sign up for this before finding out whether you passed, but no they will not tell you until CA results are officially released. I know I tried lol. Just got the email early this AM saying the docs were in my NCBE file cabinet.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Notorious RBG » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:56 pm

gaagoots wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
legalize-it wrote:
gaagoots wrote:I passed the f*cking BAH!!!!!!!!!! I am totally doing a Rod Tidwell dance from Jerry Maguire!

This who were unsuccessful, I made it over the 100 point bulge rule, I scored over 127 points with my unlucky 1313 points from Feb. It can be done!!


Hi,
What is the 100 point bulge rule and how does it affect scores/grading?


I believe she was making a nerdy law school joke re: Personal Jurisdictions--haha. Bulge Rule is an exception where the federal courts can establish PJ if the defendant is, for example, served within 100 miles of the filing court. Regardless, there is no rule that affects scores and grading other than giving them exactly what they want to see.


Yup I'm totally a nerd. It was not related to that civ pro area just that getting over a 100 point mountain made me think of the 100 mile bulge rule.

P.S. The pass list was posted this a.m. I'm too nice to return the sentiments to someone who rubbed it in my face in May.


Hold the phone, someone (douchey ex if I recall) made fun of you for not passing the bar, and they hadn't even passed yet, and now they failed? Omg. You are nicer than me. Give me his address I will use one of those sites to anonymously send him some poop. (KIDDING...)

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:02 pm

Notorious RBG wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
Worker and Parasite wrote:
corpora_delicti wrote:Does anyone know how to access MBE scores?


Did anyone find out how to do this yet for those of us who were unsuccessful? Or do we wait for snail mail?


If you failed, your score information is mailed, and you'll receive a subsequent packet with your essays and PT's. If you passed, you cannot receive score information.

There is a roundabout way for anybody (including passers) to determine a floor/ceiling for their MBE scores, which requires processing a request through the NCBE to see if your score meets or exceeds the score required by DC (133) and MN (145) and ND (150) to qualify for admission without examination. Costs $25 and can be used through NCBE's score services.


I was coming here to post about this- so worth the $25 bucks. I found out I'm somewhere between MN and ND. It shouldn't matter but it does anyway. And you can sign up for this before finding out whether you passed, but no they will not tell you until CA results are officially released. I know I tried lol. Just got the email early this AM saying the docs were in my NCBE file cabinet.


Ha! I did it late last night too, and got my email that they were available this morning. It's cool to know regardless and easily worth $25. I'm surprised that I was at or above 150. I truly thought I bombed the MBE--especially the morning session. I had something like 13 "D" answers in a row. Anyway, congrats to you, in particular, RBG. You're a great example of how perseverance to pass this f*ing thing can and will pay off for those that didn't quite make it this time around.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Notorious RBG » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:08 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
Notorious RBG wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
Worker and Parasite wrote:
corpora_delicti wrote:Does anyone know how to access MBE scores?


Did anyone find out how to do this yet for those of us who were unsuccessful? Or do we wait for snail mail?


If you failed, your score information is mailed, and you'll receive a subsequent packet with your essays and PT's. If you passed, you cannot receive score information.

There is a roundabout way for anybody (including passers) to determine a floor/ceiling for their MBE scores, which requires processing a request through the NCBE to see if your score meets or exceeds the score required by DC (133) and MN (145) and ND (150) to qualify for admission without examination. Costs $25 and can be used through NCBE's score services.


I was coming here to post about this- so worth the $25 bucks. I found out I'm somewhere between MN and ND. It shouldn't matter but it does anyway. And you can sign up for this before finding out whether you passed, but no they will not tell you until CA results are officially released. I know I tried lol. Just got the email early this AM saying the docs were in my NCBE file cabinet.


Ha! I did it late last night too, and got my email that they were available this morning. It's cool to know regardless and easily worth $25. I'm surprised that I was at or above 150. I truly thought I bombed the MBE--especially the morning session. I had something like 13 "D" answers in a row. Anyway, congrats to you, in particular, RBG. You're a great example of how perseverance to pass this f*ing thing can and will pay off for those that didn't quite make it this time around.


Thank you, and congrats to you too!!

Honestly I am still confused by the MBE scaling as well as the overall test scaling. So I know my scaled is somewhere between 145 and 150 but I have no idea about raw, 130's I guess? Omg who cares right? haha

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby yourmootness » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:11 pm

robinhoodOO, I get the "pleasure" of being your first 145+ but <150 to fail a bar on your spreadsheet.

I am eagerly awaiting the CA bar essay scores.

Congrats to all who passed and thank you to everyone for your contributions to this forum.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:22 pm

yourmootness wrote:robinhoodOO, I get the "pleasure" of being your first 145+ but <150 to fail a bar on your spreadsheet.

I am eagerly awaiting the CA bar essay scores.

Congrats to all who passed and thank you to everyone for your contributions to this forum.


Bummer, man...That's a very solid MBE score, too. I feel like only in CA would it not be enough :(

Well, the good news (always a silver-lining!) is that you'll have a good idea of what you're weakness is and how to refine your studying. Feel free to PM me as you study with any questions.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby RaiRai » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:49 pm

catechumen wrote:I think we need to lobby the governor's office over this test. The Governor failed the CA Bar his 1st time, believe it or not. Instead of complaining lets actually do something about this! With the pass rate at well below sub 50% this is nuts. There are states were the pass rates range from the 70's to the 90's. Why does CA have to have such a difficult exam? A bit of lobbying may actually get the Bar to make real changes.

This is also a 30 year low for pass rates. Perhaps with some pressure the Bar could be made to make some real changes that would put the CA bar in line with the vast majority of the nation. Having a test this difficult is nothing more than a barrier to entry. It is a joke that this is simply a test of minimum competence, when the majority of attorneys who took the exam flunked it too. Better yet, lets randomly have those on the committee that design the test take a past exam, and see how they do. I suspect the results would be enlightening. If it's a test of 'minimum competence' they should have no trouble, right?




Maybe that's why they are making it a 2-day exam in July 2017. UBE style?

http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals ... 0815_R.pdf

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Raiden » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:52 pm

Received my scoresheet in the mail today, would appreciate some feedback on how to interpret this and what weaknesses I should focus on.

Essay 1: 65
Essay 2: 65
Essay 3: 60 (one grader says 65, the other 55)
Essay 4: 57.5
Essay 5: 55
Essay 6: 57.5

PT A: 57.5
PT B: 65

I totally thought I killed thhe essays, or at least did enough to satisfy minimum competence, but that doesn't look like the case. I am planning to get bar essays to supplement Themis for my second go around in Feb.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby cooldog86 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:13 pm

Looks like you were very close. I'm waiting to check mine as soon as I get back home.




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