July 2015 California Bar Exam

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:25 am

SpAcEmAn SpLiFF wrote:Quick last minute question:
Dormant commerce clause vs privileges and immunities of Article 4: is there an easy way to know which one to apply? Are there a lot of essay situations where you can argue both?

P&I says you can't discriminate against out of staters. DCC says a state can't interfere with interstate commerce. So if there is discrimination against out of staters which burdens interstate commerce you would use both. But in that case the test for both is whether it is necessary for an important government purpose. If it does not discriminate then P&I doesn't apply, and it passes DCC muster as long as the benefits outweigh the burdens.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Zaizei » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:26 am

rshin12 wrote:So, what time should we *really* arrive? Is 8 really OK?


That's what I plan to do. Be there at 8 a.m.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby SpAcEmAn SpLiFF » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:38 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
SpAcEmAn SpLiFF wrote:Quick last minute question:
Dormant commerce clause vs privileges and immunities of Article 4: is there an easy way to know which one to apply? Are there a lot of essay situations where you can argue both?

P&I says you can't discriminate against out of staters. DCC says a state can't interfere with interstate commerce. So if there is discrimination against out of staters which burdens interstate commerce you would use both. But in that case the test for both is whether it is necessary for an important government purpose. If it does not discriminate then P&I doesn't apply, and it passes DCC muster as long as the benefits outweigh the burdens.

Thanks dude

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby brotherdarkness » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:14 am

Good luck all!

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby BuenAbogado » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:36 am

brotherdarkness wrote:Good luck all!


Godspeed my brother.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby acronyx » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:51 am

BrokenMouse wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
SpAcEmAn SpLiFF wrote:Quick last minute question:
Dormant commerce clause vs privileges and immunities of Article 4: is there an easy way to know which one to apply? Are there a lot of essay situations where you can argue both?

P&I says you can't discriminate against out of staters. DCC says a state can't interfere with interstate commerce. So if there is discrimination against out of staters which burdens interstate commerce you would use both. But in that case the test for both is whether it is necessary for an important government purpose. If it does not discriminate then P&I doesn't apply, and it passes DCC muster as long as the benefits outweigh the burdens.


Don't forget that P&I under the 14th Amd is almost never used (except discrimination involving right to travel etc). It's almost always P&I under 4th Amd. Any discrimination involving civil liberties or economic activity will generally be P&I under 4th. Sorry if this f'd you up.

Minor and likely irrelevant, but:
14A = P OR I
4A = P AND I

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby wentmat » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:31 am

robinhoodOO wrote:
redblueyellow wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
brotherdarkness wrote:Can someone explain the bare bones of what I need to know about anti-SLAPP / First Amendment issues?


Sure, here is the quick down and dirty:

Basically, if a suit attempts to regulate/seek damages related to speech (i.e. extortion, defamation, etc.), you can file an anti-SLAPP motion that the claim/case attempts to seek damages for otherwise permissible/protected speech.

There are 4 bases: (1) The claim seeks damages for speech made during a legislative, judicial, or executive proceeding; (2) It seeks damages for speech relating to a legislative, judicial, or executive proceeding; (3) (THE MOST COMMON) It seeks damages for speech given in a public forum or related to a public matter; or (4) (CATCH ALL) It seeks damages for speech otherwise protected by the 1st Amendment.

So, basically a Constitution/1st Amendment cross-over.

If you prevail and it is determined the that the action was reckless or malicious, you may file a SLAPP-back action for punitives and damages.


So let's say that P sues D for defamation and IIED or something else.

D responds and says that the cause of action is basically for his protected speech in a public forum or is related to a public matter.

Then what happens? P has to prevail on the defamation cause to defeat the anti-slapp measures? Does he have to prevail on the IIED as well? Or at all?

In other words, how would you do the analysis after the you get to the "So, basically a Constitution/1st Amendment cross-over" portion?

Unless that's our cue to show that the D has protected speech under the 1st Amendment? And if the D can prove his speech was protected, how do you address the rest of the anti-slapp motion?


That's what I'm saying, I think it forces you into a First Amendment analysis. For example, you're being sued for hate speech. Can the gov grant a judgment in favor of party seeking damages for injurious hate speech?

You start with the procedure and discuss the basis to strike the Complaint: Anti-SLAPP.

Then, discuss First Amendment application for the substantive Q.

Then, SLAPP-back--which requires moving party to prove the original action was meritless/malicious.


This is helpful, but one point of detail - does it force you into a 1st amendment analysis, or an analysis of whether the P would succeed in whatever their original action was (likely to be something like defamation or invasion of privacy)?

I had thought that once the D shows that anti-SLAPP is in play (so by showing it related to a public matter etc) the burden shifts to the P, who has to show that they will probably succeed in their claim for, say, defamation (another point of detail - I didn't think you needed to show you will definitely succeed, as this is a motion to strike and not a substantive hearing on the merits?).

Then, if P cannot show they would probably succeed, you can SLAPP-back.

Apologies if this seems pedantic, but I have anti-SLAPP down as an area where we would see a Torts / CA Civ Pro cross over, with a bit of Con, but the emphasis would likely be in showing you know the anti-SLAPP rules plus can do a, say, defamation analysis.

Does this make sense?

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:50 pm

And we're off

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby lawbosscalif » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:00 pm

The 2nd to last July administration that's 3 days long!!! Woo Woo!!! Show those 2017 Chumps who only have to take a 2 day exam.

Good luck all!

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby InTheWideLand I Walk » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:41 pm

Wut.. Just.... Happened....

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby lawbosscalif » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:44 pm

Can you expand on that a little more?

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby ilovetheatre » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:53 pm

That could have ben worse...

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Aureusmons » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:56 pm

that was fucking impossible

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Underoath » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:09 pm

I didn't finish the 2nd essay...eh...spent too much time on 3rd

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Underoath » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:09 pm

well I finished, but it was poorly done haha

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Calicakes » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:04 pm

InTheWideLand I Walk wrote:Wut.. Just.... Happened....



No Shit. Nothing you and I went over. Jaysus. I hope I BS'd enough on 1 and 2. I feel ok with 3.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Calicakes » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:10 pm

Calicakes wrote:
InTheWideLand I Walk wrote:Wut.. Just.... Happened....



No Shit. Nothing you and I went over. Jaysus. I hope I BS'd enough on 1 and 2. I feel ok with 3.



Florida v. Jardines

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby a male human » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:14 pm

Are you posting while doing your PT?

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Calicakes » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:17 pm

a male human wrote:Are you posting while doing your PT?



Wow, I'd be superhuman if I could do that.

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby CALawGirl » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:43 pm

Calicakes wrote:
a male human wrote:Are you posting while doing your PT?



Wow, I'd be superhuman if I could do that.


I remember reading you had special accomodation and have 5 days to complete the exam? So I guess you are done for the day. I also recall you went to Southwestern Law School. I did too. So much for "top law school" forum. Lol!

Anyway, I also thought I flunked a couple of essays (Contacts & Wills/Trust) when I took it in Feb. but I passed. You just never know.

Good luck!

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Calicakes » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:22 pm

CALawGirl wrote:
Calicakes wrote:
a male human wrote:Are you posting while doing your PT?



Wow, I'd be superhuman if I could do that.


I remember reading you had special accomodation and have 5 days to complete the exam? So I guess you are done for the day. I also recall you went to Southwestern Law School. I did too. So much for "top law school" forum. Lol!

Anyway, I also thought I flunked a couple of essays (Contacts & Wills/Trust) when I took it in Feb. but I passed. You just never know.

Good luck!



Hey Now, SW law is in the top 3rd tier!!

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby Aureusmons » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:47 pm

anyone else having trouble uploading to softest?

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Re: July 2015 California Bar Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:49 pm

Day 1 is done!

3 MBE subjects for the essays. Surprised.

I'm guessing PR, CP, and ConLaw for Thursday.

BRING ON THE MBE'S!




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