July 2015 California Bar Exam Forum

a male human · Post by **a male human** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:46 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
a male human wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:How do you remember all of this? I flat out cannot state every element for every essay question and don't know how I will be able to in two weeks time.
Some ideas:
- Keep writing them out (i.e., test your recall rather than familiarity)
- Prioritize memorizing ones that show up more by doing and reviewing a lot of essays or outlines thereof
- Understand and paraphrase the concept rather than rote memorize

See also http://barexamtoolbox.com/memorization-simple-1-2-3/
I go to sleep and I start to automatically repeat elements in my head...Am I dying? Pretty sure this is what death feels like...

This is merely purgatory, my friend.

calbartaker2015 · Post by **calbartaker2015** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:35 pm

a male human wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
a male human wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:How do you remember all of this? I flat out cannot state every element for every essay question and don't know how I will be able to in two weeks time.
Some ideas:
- Keep writing them out (i.e., test your recall rather than familiarity)
- Prioritize memorizing ones that show up more by doing and reviewing a lot of essays or outlines thereof
- Understand and paraphrase the concept rather than rote memorize

See also http://barexamtoolbox.com/memorization-simple-1-2-3/
I go to sleep and I start to automatically repeat elements in my head...Am I dying? Pretty sure this is what death feels like...
This is merely purgatory, my friend.

Thanks, it just feels so foreign. LSAT required no memorization. Law school was all open book. I had an outline safety blanket every step of the way. Now I have to have a memory not just logic and it's terrifying to use for the first time in a long time on such a serious test. (Doesn't help that every time I think about my offer letter reading "contingent on passing the bar" I want to vomit.)

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:53 pm

calbartaker2015 wrote:
a male human wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
a male human wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:How do you remember all of this? I flat out cannot state every element for every essay question and don't know how I will be able to in two weeks time.
Some ideas:
- Keep writing them out (i.e., test your recall rather than familiarity)
- Prioritize memorizing ones that show up more by doing and reviewing a lot of essays or outlines thereof
- Understand and paraphrase the concept rather than rote memorize

See also http://barexamtoolbox.com/memorization-simple-1-2-3/
I go to sleep and I start to automatically repeat elements in my head...Am I dying? Pretty sure this is what death feels like...
This is merely purgatory, my friend.

Thanks, it just feels so foreign. LSAT required no memorization. Law school was all open book. I had an outline safety blanket every step of the way. Now I have to have a memory not just logic and it's terrifying to use for the first time in a long time on such a serious test. (Doesn't help that every time I think about my offer letter reading "contingent on passing the bar" I want to vomit.)

If it makes you feel any better, my wife threatened to divorce me if I fail...Can't be certain if she was kidding, but considering that she'd be entitled to substantial community property reimbursement for my education, I'd better not fuck it up haha

a male human · Post by **a male human** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:05 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:
a male human wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
a male human wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:How do you remember all of this? I flat out cannot state every element for every essay question and don't know how I will be able to in two weeks time.
Some ideas:
- Keep writing them out (i.e., test your recall rather than familiarity)
- Prioritize memorizing ones that show up more by doing and reviewing a lot of essays or outlines thereof
- Understand and paraphrase the concept rather than rote memorize

See also http://barexamtoolbox.com/memorization-simple-1-2-3/
I go to sleep and I start to automatically repeat elements in my head...Am I dying? Pretty sure this is what death feels like...
This is merely purgatory, my friend.

Thanks, it just feels so foreign. LSAT required no memorization. Law school was all open book. I had an outline safety blanket every step of the way. Now I have to have a memory not just logic and it's terrifying to use for the first time in a long time on such a serious test. (Doesn't help that every time I think about my offer letter reading "contingent on passing the bar" I want to vomit.)
If it makes you feel any better, my wife threatened to divorce me if I fail...Can't be certain if she was kidding, but considering that she'd be entitled to substantial community property reimbursement for my education, I'd better not fuck it up haha

Threat? Sounds like you'd be dodging a bullet if she divorced you for failing the goddamn CA bar, which 50%+ did last July.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:23 pm

a male human wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:
a male human wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
a male human wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:How do you remember all of this? I flat out cannot state every element for every essay question and don't know how I will be able to in two weeks time.
Some ideas:
- Keep writing them out (i.e., test your recall rather than familiarity)
- Prioritize memorizing ones that show up more by doing and reviewing a lot of essays or outlines thereof
- Understand and paraphrase the concept rather than rote memorize

See also http://barexamtoolbox.com/memorization-simple-1-2-3/
I go to sleep and I start to automatically repeat elements in my head...Am I dying? Pretty sure this is what death feels like...
This is merely purgatory, my friend.

Thanks, it just feels so foreign. LSAT required no memorization. Law school was all open book. I had an outline safety blanket every step of the way. Now I have to have a memory not just logic and it's terrifying to use for the first time in a long time on such a serious test. (Doesn't help that every time I think about my offer letter reading "contingent on passing the bar" I want to vomit.)
If it makes you feel any better, my wife threatened to divorce me if I fail...Can't be certain if she was kidding, but considering that she'd be entitled to substantial community property reimbursement for my education, I'd better not fuck it up haha
Threat? Sounds like you'd be dodging a bullet if she divorced you for failing the goddamn CA bar, which 50%+ did last July.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't

P.S. I was being slightly facetious. She certainly said that, but I know she was kidding. Kind of like: No pressure, but: Go get 'em and all that...

redblueyellow · Post by **redblueyellow** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:11 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:P.S. I was being slightly facetious. She certainly said that, but I know she was kidding. Kind of like: No pressure, but: Go get 'em and all that...

ALL THE PRESSURE.

Calicakes · Post by **Calicakes** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:22 pm

calbartaker2015 wrote:
a male human wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
a male human wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:How do you remember all of this? I flat out cannot state every element for every essay question and don't know how I will be able to in two weeks time.
Some ideas:
- Keep writing them out (i.e., test your recall rather than familiarity)
- Prioritize memorizing ones that show up more by doing and reviewing a lot of essays or outlines thereof
- Understand and paraphrase the concept rather than rote memorize

See also http://barexamtoolbox.com/memorization-simple-1-2-3/
I go to sleep and I start to automatically repeat elements in my head...Am I dying? Pretty sure this is what death feels like...
This is merely purgatory, my friend.

Thanks, it just feels so foreign. LSAT required no memorization. Law school was all open book. I had an outline safety blanket every step of the way. Now I have to have a memory not just logic and it's terrifying to use for the first time in a long time on such a serious test. (Doesn't help that every time I think about my offer letter reading "contingent on passing the bar" I want to vomit.)

Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:36 pm

Calicakes wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:
a male human wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
a male human wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:How do you remember all of this? I flat out cannot state every element for every essay question and don't know how I will be able to in two weeks time.
Some ideas:
- Keep writing them out (i.e., test your recall rather than familiarity)
- Prioritize memorizing ones that show up more by doing and reviewing a lot of essays or outlines thereof
- Understand and paraphrase the concept rather than rote memorize

See also http://barexamtoolbox.com/memorization-simple-1-2-3/
I go to sleep and I start to automatically repeat elements in my head...Am I dying? Pretty sure this is what death feels like...
This is merely purgatory, my friend.

Thanks, it just feels so foreign. LSAT required no memorization. Law school was all open book. I had an outline safety blanket every step of the way. Now I have to have a memory not just logic and it's terrifying to use for the first time in a long time on such a serious test. (Doesn't help that every time I think about my offer letter reading "contingent on passing the bar" I want to vomit.)

Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...

crumpetsandtea · Post by **crumpetsandtea** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:03 pm

WTF schools did Y'ALL go to? All of our exams were open book too.

a male human · Post by **a male human** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:06 pm

I went to UC Hastings, and most were open book.

calbartaker2015 · Post by **calbartaker2015** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:58 pm

Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...

Top 20 law school. 1 closed book exam. Hardly any multiple choice. I can genuinely say I feel like this test has no relation to what I have been doing for the past 3 years. Sure most of the subjects I have taken but the skills tested were entirely different.

Pleasye · Post by **Pleasye** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:02 pm

Lol this is where going to a shiTTTY school and being forced to do closed book exams for every bar subject pays off.

(still failing the essays)

a male human · Post by **a male human** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:06 pm

I wish my finals were closed book. Then maybe I wouldn't have brought in giant outlines full of shit.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:30 pm

calbartaker2015 wrote:
Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...
Top 20 law school. 1 closed book exam. Hardly any multiple choice. I can genuinely say I feel like this test has no relation to what I have been doing for the past 3 years. Sure most of the subjects I have taken but the skills tested were entirely different.

Boalt/Berkeley? My boss went there and said it's notoriously easy and lots of open book exams...

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:31 pm

Pleasye wrote:Lol this is where going to a shiTTTY school and being forced to do closed book exams for every bar subject pays off.

(still failing the essays)

HEAR, HEAR!

Calicakes · Post by **Calicakes** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:29 pm

Pleasye wrote:Lol this is where going to a shiTTTY school and being forced to do closed book exams for every bar subject pays off.

(still failing the essays)

AKA a 3rd tier school who flunks out 30% of the first year class( and keeps their 40k).

Southwestern University School of Law.

acronyx · Post by **acronyx** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:30 pm

calbartaker2015 wrote:
Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...
Top 20 law school. 1 closed book exam. Hardly any multiple choice. I can genuinely say I feel like this test has no relation to what I have been doing for the past 3 years. Sure most of the subjects I have taken but the skills tested were entirely different.

T14. PR was my only closed book exam.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:34 pm

acronyx wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:
Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...
Top 20 law school. 1 closed book exam. Hardly any multiple choice. I can genuinely say I feel like this test has no relation to what I have been doing for the past 3 years. Sure most of the subjects I have taken but the skills tested were entirely different.
T14. PR was my only closed book exam.

Curious, Berkeley/Boalt? I just want to know if its reputation precedes it...haha

acronyx · Post by **acronyx** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:38 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
acronyx wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:
Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...
Top 20 law school. 1 closed book exam. Hardly any multiple choice. I can genuinely say I feel like this test has no relation to what I have been doing for the past 3 years. Sure most of the subjects I have taken but the skills tested were entirely different.
T14. PR was my only closed book exam.
Curious, Berkeley/Boalt? I just want to know if its reputation precedes it...haha

Nope, but am missing the comfort of having my own outlines, and books, and the internet, and the knowledge that basically nobody fails exams.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:42 pm

acronyx wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
acronyx wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:
Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...
Top 20 law school. 1 closed book exam. Hardly any multiple choice. I can genuinely say I feel like this test has no relation to what I have been doing for the past 3 years. Sure most of the subjects I have taken but the skills tested were entirely different.
T14. PR was my only closed book exam.
Curious, Berkeley/Boalt? I just want to know if its reputation precedes it...haha
Nope, but am missing the comfort of having my own outlines, and books, and the internet, and the knowledge that basically nobody fails exams.

haha...Indeed...This fucking exam is balls (or, prepping for it is).

calbartaker2015 · Post by **calbartaker2015** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:06 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
acronyx wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
acronyx wrote:
calbartaker2015 wrote:
Woah, what Law school did you attend? My LAW School exams were definitely NOT open book. We had to memorize. I think they were trying to prepare us for the bar exam.

Ya, not open book here, either. That said: Law school was cake compared to studying for the CBX...
Top 20 law school. 1 closed book exam. Hardly any multiple choice. I can genuinely say I feel like this test has no relation to what I have been doing for the past 3 years. Sure most of the subjects I have taken but the skills tested were entirely different.
T14. PR was my only closed book exam.
Curious, Berkeley/Boalt? I just want to know if its reputation precedes it...haha
Nope, but am missing the comfort of having my own outlines, and books, and the internet, and the knowledge that basically nobody fails exams.
haha...Indeed...This fucking exam is balls (or, prepping for it is).

Ya also not Berk.

crumpetsandtea · Post by **crumpetsandtea** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:33 am

Not at Berkeley either, but also at a T14 where the only class I ever took closed book was evidence. There were a handful of classes that were closed book but it was VERY RARE and up to the professor.

brotherdarkness · Post by **brotherdarkness** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:26 pm

Only closed book exam I had at Berkeley was Evidence.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:12 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:Only closed book exam I had at Berkeley was Evidence.

Which seems weird, because you'd think Evidence is a more difficult subject matter than most...

crumpetsandtea · Post by **crumpetsandtea** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:47 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
brotherdarkness wrote:Only closed book exam I had at Berkeley was Evidence.
Which seems weird, because you'd think Evidence is a more difficult subject matter than most...

I always assumed it was because evidence is one of the few subjects where knowing it cold is likely to be very useful in practice (ie, knowing objections and shit if you want to be a litigator).

Buuuuut fuck if I really know. Professors just do whatever the hell they want, haha

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