Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

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Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:20 am

I failed CA. Debating taking NY or MD for the retake. I live in DC so I don't need to be barred in CA.

I want to see how I failed before registering with NY or MD.

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Postby imacpa » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:36 pm

I'm very sorry to hear about your result. I failed the CBX exam before but moved on and took the TX bar and I passed it on the first try. CBX is a whole different bear altogether so don't stay discourage because many fine attorneys have failed the CBX at least once before passing subsequently. Also, there have many others even on this forum who managed to pass another jx state bar after attempting CBX.

I wish you well in your taking either the NY or MD bar.

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Postby Bearlegdairy » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:41 pm

A friend of mine who was in the JAG corps told me that if new attorneys from California didn't pass the exam on the first try, they'd send them to take the bar in a different state with a higher pass rate, since apparently you can be licensed in any state . Another friend, also in the JAG, simply elected to take the bar in Wisconsin rather than contend with the California bar.

As the above poster noted, tons of people have failed the CA bar and gone on to have successful careers after either retaking and passing in California or taking the exam in another state.

Best of luck!

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby kwabbs » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:47 pm

I believe the California bar is known to be one of the hardest state bar exams to pass so even if you failed CA it's definitely reasonable and possible to take and pass other state's

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby mmelittlechicken » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:23 pm

NY has a million subjects, so maybe take something less tedious if it doesn't matter where you're barred.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby duskfall » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:39 pm

Take the dc bar, request ur mbe score from Cali to be transferred. U will only need to take the essay portion in February.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby mmelittlechicken » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:00 pm

duskfall wrote:Take the dc bar, request ur mbe score from Cali to be transferred. U will only need to take the essay portion in February.

It can be easier to fail if you don't retake the MBE in some states. Depends if they take your actual score or if they make you pass on essays alone.

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Postby jarofsoup » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:04 pm

Can you transfer the MBE?? What jurisdictions can you do it in.

Thank you everyone for the response.

I have been getting a lot of interviews in NY, so I feel like it could help me to be barred there. But yeah MD is probably a safer bet. Maybe I will take something that has reciprocity with NY like PA.

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Postby mmelittlechicken » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:06 pm

jarofsoup wrote:Can you transfer the MBE?? What jurisdictions can you do it in.

Thank you everyone for the response.

I have been getting a lot of interviews in NY, so I feel like it could help me to be barred there. But yeah MD is probably a safer bet. Maybe I will take something that has reciprocity with NY like PA.

NY has a high pass rate, so if it would help with job opportunities then definitely take it. I was just saying that if all bars were equal, NY is annoying because it has a million subjects.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:16 pm

Anyone know about transferring MBE scores for failed applicants?

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:34 pm

I got these answer in another forum. I guess DC will take it. Wish I knew what I got.

This sucks. I would have probably had a job if I passed ANY BAR EXAM in the country.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:06 pm

I took barbri for CA. Going to have to fork over like 3k for another course. Thinking about Kaplan or Themis for New York. Did not like Barbri at all. I am not sure why they are so expensive and provide so little.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby LegalReality » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:10 pm

Know multiple people who failed cali and passed other state on first try. In almost every other state, the bar only fails the bottom 10% people who severely fuck up, whereas California fails a lot of people who honestly did a great job. I took in Cali and another state. The MPT for Cali is the hardest thing I ever have done, extremely nuanced. The MPT in other states is literally the easiest most straightforward hypothetical with no ambiguity. The other state essays were REALLY easy and had extremely clear cut answers. The cali essays have no clear cut answers and were all over the place.

Bottom line, you can go elsewhere and pass with no issues.

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Postby Bearlegdairy » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:12 pm

I liked Themis. Tons of MBE questions, a fair amount of feedback on graded practice essays (depends on your grader though), and a pretty reasonable price. Their directed study program also helps keep you focused without overloading you, though I eventually diverted from their lesson plan.

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Postby jarofsoup » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:23 pm

I am thinking about Themis and adaptibar.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby Desert Fox » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:03 pm

TAke wisconsin

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby lmr » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:10 pm

Desert Fox wrote:TAke wisconsin

Don't you think it's a little too raw for you to be picking on him/her? :roll:

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Postby jarofsoup » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:19 pm

lmr wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:TAke wisconsin

Don't you think it's a little too raw for you to be picking on him/her? :roll:


I'm over it already. There are quite a lot of people I know that failed. I just need information now.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby Desert Fox » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:32 pm

lmr wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:TAke wisconsin

Don't you think it's a little too raw for you to be picking on him/her? :roll:


huh? Picking on him?

I mean take the Wisconsin bar, probably the easiest bar in teh country.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:11 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
lmr wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:TAke wisconsin

Don't you think it's a little too raw for you to be picking on him/her? :roll:


huh? Picking on him?

I mean take the Wisconsin bar, probably the easiest bar in teh country.


What about IL. What bars does the MBE count for an auto-pass?

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:26 pm

duskfall wrote:Take the dc bar, request ur mbe score from Cali to be transferred. U will only need to take the essay portion in February.


You cannot transfer the MBE because the subject matter of the MBE has changed, i.e., they added Civ Pro. Yay double screwed this time.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby ceereeus420 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:28 pm

Id say take NJ. It only tests the mbe subjects, so you can focus all of you're studying on the mbe and, as a collateral effect, pass the essays.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:58 pm

I received my score report and I came with in 7 points of passing. Got around a 140ish scaled on the MBE. Regardless which bar I take, I need to pass the bar and get above a 133 on the MBE to waive into DC.

Should I take CA again or go for NY, PA, MD, or IL? My study time is going to be a bit more compressed this time around. I will probably only have a little over a full month to study. My work has not indicated that it will be firing me yet, so I still have to work.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby jarofsoup » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:29 am

Bumping. NY deadlines is Friday.

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Re: Anyone fail CA but then pass another state first try?

Postby yuzu » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:44 pm

jarofsoup wrote:You cannot transfer the MBE because the subject matter of the MBE has changed, i.e., they added Civ Pro. Yay double screwed this time.


I believe this is incorrect: the rules appear to have been changed so that any MBE administration within the past 25 months is accepted.




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