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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby Citizen Genet » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:28 am

GertrudePerkins wrote:I could probably find this info somewhere if I weren't so lazy, but does anybody know if Themis's MBE PQs are actual MBE questions? I mean, they seem fine, but I get mildly paranoid whenever I'm studying for a standardized test but not using official questions. (I've done a lot of SAT/LSAT tutoring and know what a shitty job some test prep companies can do when they try to make up their own questions.)


They're a mix of actual MBE questions, modified MBE questions, and Themis developed questions.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby kalvano » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:28 am

The ones that are modified let you know at the bottom of the answer.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby geekrocker37 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:39 am

Completely missed Contracts clause answer on NJ Graded Con Law essay, but the grader response seemed pretty positive. I guess a low score now is expected.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby forza » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:59 am

Went to do the graded essay a little late this morning. Whoops, need to study family law first.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby denimchickn » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:42 pm

So what percentage is everyone at? I'm in VA and I'm at 18%, but I feel like I should be substantially further along than that by this point.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby antonious13 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:00 pm

denimchickn wrote:So what percentage is everyone at? I'm in VA and I'm at 18%, but I feel like I should be substantially further along than that by this point.


CA at 20%. But, I'm about a day ahead of my set schedule, so I think you're good.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby HETPE3B » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:18 pm

35% NY here. But started a week early and been plowing through weekends. Planning to take 7-8 days off throughout June.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby forza » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:33 pm

Property MBE is gonna suck

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby BarbellDreams » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:41 pm

12% PA/NJ. A little behind due to moving in the middle of bar prep but not too worried about it. I don't know how the hell people are a quarter done when we are only about a week and a half in with 7 weeks to go.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby antonious13 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:22 pm

forza wrote:Property MBE is gonna suck


Oh yeah... I never learned anything about mortgages or zoning in my property class, so I've been boning that up. Luckily, property is not one of the larger subjects on the MBE.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby HETPE3B » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:58 pm

antonious13 wrote:
forza wrote:Property MBE is gonna suck


Oh yeah... I never learned anything about mortgages or zoning in my property class, so I've been boning that up. Luckily, property is not one of the larger subjects on the MBE.

Themis has about 2 paragraphs on zoning iirc.

Also, MBE has about 33 property questions (same as the other five subject areas). So no, I would not recommend blowing off property.

edit: just noticed that Civ Pro is not tested on the MBE.. starting to wonder if the 100 pages of federal civ pro are really worth it.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby TaipeiMort » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:29 pm

LSAC writes tighter questions than NCBE does for the MBE. I've missed a few because of imprecise wording.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby antonious13 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:58 pm

HETPE3B wrote:
antonious13 wrote:
forza wrote:Property MBE is gonna suck


Oh yeah... I never learned anything about mortgages or zoning in my property class, so I've been boning that up. Luckily, property is not one of the larger subjects on the MBE.


Also, MBE has about 33 property questions (same as the other five subject areas). So no, I would not recommend blowing off property


Yeah, I definitely wasn't saying "blow off property"... and, I kinda worded my sentence wrong but I mean the pieces of property are smaller, more split up. So, if I absolutely suck at mortgages, that'll only be about 5 questions of the entire MBE day. Plus, no property topic is within the top ~40% of most questioned topics.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby hlsperson1111 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:17 pm

12% CA, but didn't start till last Monday and definitely goofed off some early in the week. Gotta say that next week looks brutal (torts, community property, corporations, agency, partnerships, plus real property practice essays) and not sure what I'm gonna do without Property Moby.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby Reinhardt » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:51 am

Checking in as an additional CA person. I got totally owned by the Con Law graded essay, but that's motivating me to study better. It also motivated me to obsess about the CA and MBE grading . . . for instance, did you know that a raw score of 139 on the July 2011 MBE would place you in approximately the top 30% of test takers? 145ish for top 20%, and 152ish for top 10%.

Con Law MBE has gone well: 84% average. Only 64% on Real Property so far, though. I hope I can bring the Real Property score up by reading the long outline, as I'm behind schedule anyway and still have 102 practice questions to do.
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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby Bikeflip » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:36 am

CA Jul 2011 raw to scale conversion: http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals ... 201107.pdf

Scaled scores change state to state and year to year, but it gives you an idea of what percentage correlates with what scale.

19% done in Colorado.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby ReelectClayDavis » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:40 am

denimchickn wrote:So what percentage is everyone at? I'm in VA and I'm at 18%, but I feel like I should be substantially further along than that by this point.


Ahead of me dude, I'm only at 14% really got to kick it up. Been trying to take notes as I go while reading but there's just too damn much material to do that. Doing fine on the MBE so far, but idk how I'm going to learn anything meaningful from 90 freaking pages of VA civ pro, argh

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby Reinhardt » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:52 am

Bikeflip wrote:CA Jul 2011 raw to scale conversion: http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals ... 201107.pdf

Scaled scores change state to state and year to year, but it gives you an idea of what percentage correlates with what scale.

19% done in Colorado.


In that vein:

Stats on performance on each question type on the July 2012 MBE (Illinois)
https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/Percent ... lentCharts

Stats on performance on the July 2011 MBE (skip to page 27)
http://www.ncbex.org/assets/media_files ... istics.pdf

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby GertrudePerkins » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:12 pm

In the My Progress --> MBE Multiple Choice Questions tab, is the "Natl. Avg." based on other Themis students this year? Or some other baseline? Just curious.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby forza » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:22 pm

lol, JUST LOL at all of the 18-prong tests in the 9,000 or so "uniform XYZ acts" in family law.

JFC.

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby 09042014 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:32 pm

forza wrote:lol, JUST LOL at all of the 18-prong tests in the 9,000 or so "uniform XYZ acts" in family law.

JFC.


How do you even begin to apply that

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby HETPE3B » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:35 pm

forza wrote:lol, JUST LOL at all of the 18-prong tests in the 9,000 or so "uniform XYZ acts" in family law.

JFC.

Isn't the 18th prong always "anything else the court considers relevant," thus making first 17 prongs useless?

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby Bikeflip » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:56 pm

HETPE3B wrote:
forza wrote:lol, JUST LOL at all of the 18-prong tests in the 9,000 or so "uniform XYZ acts" in family law.

JFC.

Isn't the 18th prong always "anything else the court considers relevant," thus making first 17 prongs useless?

"Changed circumstances."

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby fathergoose » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:06 pm

The agency and partnership guy in the Texas lectures makes me want to harm myself. Watching the partnership lecture was maybe the worst thing I've ever done to myself. This blows donkey dick

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Re: THEMIS BAR REVIEW Hangout.

Postby locusdelicti » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:33 pm

geekrocker37 wrote:Completely missed Contracts clause answer on NJ Graded Con Law essay, but the grader response seemed pretty positive. I guess a low score now is expected.


I missed that, too. It didn't even occur to me to think about the mortgages as contracts, even though they are.

I'm 28% complete, but I started on May 6, the early opening.




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