romothesavior wrote:Rob Johnson wrote:rondemarino wrote:The don't fudge their numbers, but they do a good job of WUSTL-style numbers gaming, i.e. accepting almost exclusively splitters of both types. I don't know if the schools sucks, but with NU and Chicago in their backyard, I'd think twice about going there.
I didn't mean number fudging in terms of acceptances. I'll just quote what I wrote in the other thread.number fudging-- e.g. "we're a top 10 public law school" -- what the hell kind of a metric is that? Then there was the part where they tell you to ignore USworld news rankings and to attend the school you want and not to worry about rankings-- that'd be great advice if it really didn't matter but it does as far as firms are concerned. Then they tell you it really doesn't matter what the salary statistics are, but to just look at what you want to do and if you want to work at a larger firm then the average is $160K. Do they think people are retarded? I mean seriously, median salary at least hints at the ability of students to go into certain jobs (as does the total % that went into large firms). I don't have the video or brochures with me but I remember there being much more that was bad.
This is HILARIOUS stuff, Rob Johnson. I know you have been baptized in the religion of USWNR rankings, so this may be futile to even argue with you. But what the U of I people told you really isn't that ridiculous, and I'm sure many admissions people from all across the country at all kinds of different schools would say the same thing.
If I want to practice in Illinois, would I be wise to go to USC? Texas? Cornell? According to your logic, yes I should. After all, they have a higher ranking! But to just completely dismiss geographic location, markets, etc. is to remove a crucial aspect of choosing a law school. I want to stay in the Midwest. Going to Illinois for me would be wiser than going to UCLA, even though I am pretty sure I could get into UCLA, Texas or USC without much trouble.
Also, numbers fudging with respect to median salary happens EVERYWHERE. The T-5s all the way down to the TTTs do it. Why does U of I get the brunt of your hostility? Could it be that you are bitter about getting rejected by UIUC during your first cycle? Is it because you had to go pwn a bunch of 150 LSATs at some TTT in order to get to where you are?
You would be an idiot to take UIUC over Cornell (assuming you didn't have a full-ride at UIUC or alternatively had some reasonable scholarship at Cornell). The rest of your comparisons suck because they are outside the t14 and by more regional schools. However, I would really question why anyone in their right mind would prefer Illinois over Cali-- if it wasn't for this whole substantial ties crap with firms this year I would have bid pretty heavily on Cali firms.
My school didn't number fudge like UIUC does. When they say we are a top 10 school, we really are a top 10 school (not a top 10, big 10 school or something stupid like that).
Also, I only took the LSAT once, and got a had a scholly at my TTT. With the economy and my uncertainty as to where I want to end up it made sense to leave.