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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby badwithpseudonyms » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:58 pm

Thanks, guys. Exactly the sort of things I'm interested in hearing. Definitely need to do some research and visit Bloomington. Pretty excited at the prospect of coming out of law school with no debt.

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Postby Unjust Enrichment » Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:04 pm

I'd also recommend contacting plenty of attorneys in the city of Pittsburgh and getting an opinion from them on this. I have to think that they could give you a better idea than we could.

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Postby kings84_wr » Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:50 pm

Hey guys I have quick question. I have several judges that I told I would update with grades, is there a specific way that I am supposed to send transcripts? I know I had to fill out that symplicity form, but my pga was claiming grades may not be uploaded there for a few weeks, and just sending something from One start would seem extremely unprofessional.

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Postby RTOTA38 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:24 am

Hey guys, I just scheduled a visit for Feb. 5th. I'll be sitting in on Con Law, I think (I've only confirmed the date, details/additional activities remain tbd). Is there anything, besides the law school itself, that y'all think one 'needs to see' on a visit to get a really good idea of what 3 years in Bloomington would be like?

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Postby Vincent Vega » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:28 am

RTOTA38 wrote:Hey guys, I just scheduled a visit for Feb. 5th. I'll be sitting in on Con Law, I think (I've only confirmed the date, details/additional activities remain tbd). Is there anything, besides the law school itself, that y'all think one 'needs to see' on a visit to get a really good idea of what 3 years in Bloomington would be like?


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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:50 am

kings84_wr wrote:Hey guys I have quick question. I have several judges that I told I would update with grades, is there a specific way that I am supposed to send transcripts? I know I had to fill out that symplicity form, but my pga was claiming grades may not be uploaded there for a few weeks, and just sending something from One start would seem extremely unprofessional.


IF I had my grades, I would probably use grades.indiana.edu

They have an official looking "report".

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Postby Spoonmanners » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:06 am

RTOTA38 wrote:Hey guys, I just scheduled a visit for Feb. 5th. I'll be sitting in on Con Law, I think (I've only confirmed the date, details/additional activities remain tbd). Is there anything, besides the law school itself, that y'all think one 'needs to see' on a visit to get a really good idea of what 3 years in Bloomington would be like?


Whatever 1L gives you a tour should show you around. Are you sitting in on Williams? That man will probably pick you out as not one of his students (he knows all of ours names).

Just check our Kirkwood and the campus. Maybe catch a basketball game. Then get trashed at Nick's. It's a small town, there's not that much outside of Kirkwood and the town square area.

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Postby kings84_wr » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:36 am

Spoonmanners wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:Hey guys I have quick question. I have several judges that I told I would update with grades, is there a specific way that I am supposed to send transcripts? I know I had to fill out that symplicity form, but my pga was claiming grades may not be uploaded there for a few weeks, and just sending something from One start would seem extremely unprofessional.


IF I had my grades, I would probably use grades.indiana.edu

They have an official looking "report".


Damn hoffmans grade isn't on there yet for me. That one does look way more official, maybe it will get updated tomorrow.

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Postby Bankhead » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:38 am

kings84_wr wrote:
Spoonmanners wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:Hey guys I have quick question. I have several judges that I told I would update with grades, is there a specific way that I am supposed to send transcripts? I know I had to fill out that symplicity form, but my pga was claiming grades may not be uploaded there for a few weeks, and just sending something from One start would seem extremely unprofessional.


IF I had my grades, I would probably use grades.indiana.edu

They have an official looking "report".


Damn hoffmans grade isn't on there yet for me. That one does look way more official, maybe it will get updated tomorrow.


no if a grade misses the official report it never goes on the official report. you need a transcript. you will never have hoff in the grade distribution database either. its just the way it is, and it sucks terribly.

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Postby kings84_wr » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:39 am

Bankhead wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:
Spoonmanners wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:Hey guys I have quick question. I have several judges that I told I would update with grades, is there a specific way that I am supposed to send transcripts? I know I had to fill out that symplicity form, but my pga was claiming grades may not be uploaded there for a few weeks, and just sending something from One start would seem extremely unprofessional.


IF I had my grades, I would probably use grades.indiana.edu

They have an official looking "report".


Damn hoffmans grade isn't on there yet for me. That one does look way more official, maybe it will get updated tomorrow.


no if a grade misses the official report it never goes on the official report. you need a transcript. you will never have hoff in the grade distribution database either. its just the way it is, and it sucks terribly.


Really? that sucks. So do i have to go get an official transcript for each application? I guess i should just go talk to the career people

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Postby kings84_wr » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:41 am

Spoonmanners wrote:
RTOTA38 wrote:Hey guys, I just scheduled a visit for Feb. 5th. I'll be sitting in on Con Law, I think (I've only confirmed the date, details/additional activities remain tbd). Is there anything, besides the law school itself, that y'all think one 'needs to see' on a visit to get a really good idea of what 3 years in Bloomington would be like?


Whatever 1L gives you a tour should show you around. Are you sitting in on Williams? That man will probably pick you out as not one of his students (he knows all of ours names).

Just check our Kirkwood and the campus. Maybe catch a basketball game. Then get trashed at Nick's. It's a small town, there's not that much outside of Kirkwood and the town square area.


Williams scares me with his memory. I think he would be an interesting prof to sit in as a visitor, but he is scary for those of us who could get cold called

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Postby Bankhead » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:42 am

yeah i'm going to talk to cso tomorrow. Also, anyone know if we allowed to put approximate rankings next to our gpa on our resume (since we aren't truly ranked until after 2nd semester)?

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Postby kings84_wr » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:45 am

Bankhead wrote:yeah i'm going to talk to cso tomorrow. Also, anyone know if we allowed to put approximate rankings next to our gpa on our resume (since we aren't truly ranked until after 2nd semester)?


I think my pga said it was looked down upon since its not exact. But if you are talking to cso already I would ask, and for sure if you are getting interviewed then throw in the approximate rank.

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Postby Bankhead » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:24 pm

talked to cso: approx. class ranks are a big no no on the resume. proper procedure is to state it in the cover letter or verbally.

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Postby NatSec » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:06 am

do you know what the employment statistics for the last few years? I'd love to attend Indiana but my concern is employment afterwards. I'm shooting for federal and/or boutique type firms. Also, what are the markets that 2L's gravite towards for their summer.

Thanks!

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Postby superflush » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:23 pm

NatSec wrote:do you know what the employment statistics for the last few years? I'd love to attend Indiana but my concern is employment afterwards. I'm shooting for federal and/or boutique type firms. Also, what are the markets that 2L's gravite towards for their summer


If I remember correctly, we were talking about that earlier on here. Someone was saying that this past year was very bad. I'd like to hear more talk about this though.

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Postby charlesjd » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:29 pm

With regards to interviews, does bringing copies of your law school résumé suffice, or should I bring other stuff such as personal statement, etc.? The email said the interviewers will have no prior information.

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Postby Spoonmanners » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:38 pm

superflush wrote:
NatSec wrote:do you know what the employment statistics for the last few years? I'd love to attend Indiana but my concern is employment afterwards. I'm shooting for federal and/or boutique type firms. Also, what are the markets that 2L's gravite towards for their summer


If I remember correctly, we were talking about that earlier on here. Someone was saying that this past year was very bad. I'd like to hear more talk about this though.


As far as I know, no similarly ranked school is hitting close to their numbers from 07. If you are looking for a golden ticket, then don't go to law school.

I would be wary of any school trying to give you employment information, as it will be totally unreliable (even more unreliable than it was when the market was good :lol: ). There are still loads of law grads who are still looking for jobs, or those stuck in permanent deferment, from the 09 grads.

It's hard to say where the 2L's are going, as the only ones who have good paying jobs are at the top of their class. Like I was explaining in the prior sentence, there is a large amount of unemployed grads from last year (and even the year before). Many places can get an actual grad.

This is going on at every school. Jobs are bleak (especially NY and LA). I understand that the secondary markets are not bad. Hopefully it will improve, but I hope you can tell how I can't, and I don't think anyone else, can give you good employment numbers (for this school, or any other one).

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Postby Spoonmanners » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:40 pm

charlesjd wrote:With regards to interviews, does bringing copies of your law school résumé suffice, or should I bring other stuff such as personal statement, etc.? The email said the interviewers will have no prior information.


I would guess only bring what they ask. I don't know if actual admins or just alums interview you. Either way, they aren't there to question you about your resume (they should already have a copy of that). From what I can tell, it's just seeing what kind of person you are.

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Postby kings84_wr » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:46 pm

As of hte beginning of last semester the word was that 60 students did not have jobs from last year. Not sure how much that has changed our what exactly the situation is now.

2L's seem very quiet on the subject as well this year. Id bet the top of the class is alright ( or i hope so at least).

Like it was said above bottom of the class about everywhere is getting screwed.

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Postby superflush » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Spoonmanners wrote:As far as I know, no similarly ranked school is hitting close to their numbers from 07. If you are looking for a golden ticket, then don't go to law school.

I would be wary of any school trying to give you employment information, as it will be totally unreliable (even more unreliable than it was when the market was good :lol: ). There are still loads of law grads who are still looking for jobs, or those stuck in permanent deferment, from the 09 grads.

It's hard to say where the 2L's are going, as the only ones who have good paying jobs are at the top of their class. Like I was explaining in the prior sentence, there is a large amount of unemployed grads from last year (and even the year before). Many places can get an actual grad.

This is going on at every school. Jobs are bleak (especially NY and LA). I understand that the secondary markets are not bad. Hopefully it will improve, but I hope you can tell how I can't, and I don't think anyone else, can give you good employment numbers (for this school, or any other one).


1. Yes, I know.
2. Well, I'd still want some information, and at least an open dialogue.

I think that particularly for Indiana, some of us are trying to get a good grasp of the reach that the school has. Most students go out-of-state (from their #s), but from what was being said earlier, it looks like that has been beaten down a bit. I definitely want to have a good understanding of what the current situation is.

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Postby kings84_wr » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:55 pm

the problem is right now no one has exact numbers and no one knows exactly how things will rebound next year. the last two years have been pretty brutal, in particular to the bottom half of the class. However after talking to some 2l's without jobs, some of them have some very unrealistic expectations.

I know personally im particularly weighing the benefits of transferring vs. staying at IU. I really love IU however im still a little concerned about placement. (albeit im sure placement as a transfer won't be particularly good either)

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Postby superflush » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:57 pm

kings84_wr wrote:I know personally im particularly weighing the benefits of transferring vs. staying at IU. I really love IU however im still a little concerned about placement. (albeit im sure placement as a transfer won't be particularly good either)


Ah, this sounds rough. How you spent any time in Indy? How content would you feel with working there? I've never been there, so I don't know what it is like.

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Postby kings84_wr » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:02 pm

superflush wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:I know personally im particularly weighing the benefits of transferring vs. staying at IU. I really love IU however im still a little concerned about placement. (albeit im sure placement as a transfer won't be particularly good either)


Ah, this sounds rough. How you spent any time in Indy? How content would you feel with working there? I've never been there, so I don't know what it is like.


You know I like Indy. Its a nice town and I could defintly see myself going there. I think that is a key decision in coming to IU, make sure you can live with working in the midwest particularly Indianapolis area. I am from CA and i love CA but I came here knowing full well that it would be likely that I would be in the midwest after graduation.

I really hope/think things will rebound slightly next year.

I think right now Im kinda star struck by teh chance of getting in to some schools back home that i would have had no chance last year. We'll see if I get lucky again next semester where things take me.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby superflush » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:10 pm

kings84_wr wrote:You know I like Indy. Its a nice town and I could defintly see myself going there. I think that is a key decision in coming to IU, make sure you can live with working in the midwest particularly Indianapolis area. I am from CA and i love CA but I came here knowing full well that it would be likely that I would be in the midwest after graduation.

I think right now Im kinda star struck by teh chance of getting in to some schools back home that i would have had no chance last year. We'll see if I get lucky again next semester where things take me.


. Yea, I agree. When I swing by Bloomington to visit again this year, I'm going to try to spend a few days in Indy.

. hm, yea. That might be appealing. When is the timeframe for the transfer cycle? Is there a decent way to gauge where you might be able to get in?




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