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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby keg411 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:52 pm

Mulliganstew wrote:A majority of the students come from different states, and I believe a majority leave the state. The biggest states mentioned in orientation are Illinois, California, Indiana (obviously), Michigan, and some others I can't remember off the top of my head because I stopped listening after California and Illinois.


Any idea why everyone leaves and people don't end up staying in Indiana? I was told the same thing and that kind of weirded me out (like, if IUB, like most T30's is regional, why don't they place in their region?). Indianapolis isn't the largest city in the world, but I doubt all of those jobs are going to kids from IUI since it's a lower ranked school.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby scribelaw » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:52 pm

What's the housing situation like for 1Ls there? How much do you pay in rent?

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby superflush » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:45 pm

keg411 wrote:Any idea why everyone leaves and people don't end up staying in Indiana? I was told the same thing and that kind of weirded me out (like, if IUB, like most T30's is regional, why don't they place in their region?). Indianapolis isn't the largest city in the world, but I doubt all of those jobs are going to kids from IUI since it's a lower ranked school.


Because people don't want to stay in Indiana, perhaps

Also, its not that they don't place there .. its just that they place elsewhere as well. Its still there largest state where they place.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:12 am

scribelaw wrote:What's the housing situation like for 1Ls there? How much do you pay in rent?


Rent is really cheap in Bloomington albeit im from CA so my perspective may be skewed. A lot of people live close to the law school, which makes it easier obviously.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby superflush » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:23 am

kings84_wr wrote:
scribelaw wrote:What's the housing situation like for 1Ls there? How much do you pay in rent?


Rent is really cheap in Bloomington albeit im from CA so my perspective may be skewed. A lot of people live close to the law school, which makes it easier obviously.


If you're from the coasts, then rent is rather cheap there.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby keg411 » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:46 pm

superflush wrote:
keg411 wrote:Any idea why everyone leaves and people don't end up staying in Indiana? I was told the same thing and that kind of weirded me out (like, if IUB, like most T30's is regional, why don't they place in their region?). Indianapolis isn't the largest city in the world, but I doubt all of those jobs are going to kids from IUI since it's a lower ranked school.


Because people don't want to stay in Indiana, perhaps

Also, its not that they don't place there .. its just that they place elsewhere as well. Its still there largest state where they place.


I asked their representative at the NY forum about placing in Indiana and her words were "NO ONE stays in Indiana". She also indicated that most of their current placing was in non-legal jobs because of the economy. I have no clue why she told me this and I asked a really simple, innocuous question about career opportunities in Indiana if one went to the school. It was the weirdest thing ever (though one school told me weirder). Maybe she was in a bad mood or something because I really was looking for information about career opportunities in Indianapolis through the school after LS.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby 98234872348 » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:50 pm

Is Indiana going to beat Iowa?

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby pu_golf88 » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:27 pm

mistergoft wrote:Is Indiana going to beat Iowa?


Nope lol

Here's my question for you:

I know IUB is a great law school for Indiana, but how do students feel about trying to get into the Chicago or DC market? I'm an Indiana resident, but not particularly set on starting out here after graduation. I'm in the weird place of deciding if IUB is the best school I get into is it worth going to for what I want to do or should I work a few years first.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:36 pm

There are like 5 big/mid law firms in Indianapolis. It's a very small market. DC and Chicago aren't biting right now...at all. I think about 3 Chicago firms came to OCI this year. Heh.

Honestly, job prospects out of IUB are pretty bad right now -- most 2L's on law review don't have offers. However, this really isn't the fault of the school itself; the legal market is in a state of flux. Just don't think you have it made because you go to a T25.

Also, don't think the school has received a prestige bump because of its increased ranking. OCI firms decreased by half this year, despite the jump.

Oh yeah, regarding the NY reps comments: OCS pushing to place people in non-legal jobs, presumably because there simply aren't enough legal jobs right now in order to keep the school's employment rate up. They keep mentioning "don't limit yourself to the legal profession, a law degree is very flexible". It's a bit discouraging, to say the least.

I'm not on much anymore, but please PM me if you want to talk more about Indiana.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby superflush » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:51 pm

keg411 wrote:I asked their representative at the NY forum about placing in Indiana and her words were "NO ONE stays in Indiana".


Pretty sure that isn't true

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:01 pm

superflush wrote:
keg411 wrote:I asked their representative at the NY forum about placing in Indiana and her words were "NO ONE stays in Indiana".


Pretty sure that isn't true


In recent years about 35% stay/65% leave.

No idea about what 1) ITE and 2) rankings jump will do to these figures.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Mulliganstew » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:01 pm

Bankhead, I thought you only went to Indiana for undergrad?

This is anecdotal, but the few 2L's I do know have already gotten their jobs for the summer. So it's not terrible. One of which did get a Chicago job.

When I said earlier that a majority leave the state, I was wrong. A majority stay in state, but it's so thin a majority that it says a lot about how many exit the state.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:04 pm

Mulligan, I'm your classmate dude. :shock:

Your information is incorrect. A majority of students do leave the state, as mentioned above the recent figures have been usually about 2/3 practice elsewhere while 1/3 practice in Indiana. This information is according to the website and pamphlets that the school hands out, so manipulation is certainly possible. http://www.law.indiana.edu/careers/index.shtml

That is good news that you know 2L's with jobs, as even my practice group leader, who is on law review, struck out at OCI.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby superflush » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:15 pm

I think that the majority leave the state.
However, Indiana is still the largest state where people practice, and is the primary state for the bar.
"More than 62 percent of our graduates find careers outside of Indiana" from http://law.indiana.edu/careers/index.shtml
So unless that is out of date or wrong ....

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Mulliganstew » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:27 pm

Bankhead wrote:Mulligan, I'm your classmate dude. :shock:

Your information is incorrect. A majority of students do leave the state, as mentioned above the recent figures have been usually about 2/3 practice elsewhere while 1/3 practice in Indiana. This information is according to the website and pamphlets that the school hands out, so manipulation is certainly possible. http://www.law.indiana.edu/careers/index.shtml

That is good news that you know 2L's with jobs, as even my practice group leader, who is on law review, struck out at OCI.


I guess I was looking at older data.

My PGA is also still looking for a summer job, but she still has interviews left.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby keg411 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:09 pm

superflush wrote:
keg411 wrote:I asked their representative at the NY forum about placing in Indiana and her words were "NO ONE stays in Indiana".


Pretty sure that isn't true


I was just repeating what the lady said. It just threw me way off guard.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby superflush » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:38 pm

keg411 wrote:
superflush wrote:
keg411 wrote:I asked their representative at the NY forum about placing in Indiana and her words were "NO ONE stays in Indiana".


Pretty sure that isn't true


I was just repeating what the lady said. It just threw me way off guard.


ha, yea, i know

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby vandalvideo » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:38 am

I'm considering the school and have two questions;

A) Do you know of anyone who lives on campus. (IE; Does IU allow law students on campus housing?) And if so, is the campus a good place to live?

B) How interesting are the professors at the univesity? Any examples which st and out?

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Mulliganstew » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:33 pm

vandalvideo wrote:I'm considering the school and have two questions;

A) Do you know of anyone who lives on campus. (IE; Does IU allow law students on campus housing?) And if so, is the campus a good place to live?

B) How interesting are the professors at the univesity? Any examples which st and out?


A) I know the University owns some apartment complexes around the school, but I think that's as far as it goes for law school students.

B) I have no idea who incoming 1L's will get, but we've got some definitely characters as professors. Bethel plays Grumpy Old Man to a new level, and Geyh is the most eloquent speaker I've heard in years. (I think Geyh won't be teaching next year as I seem to remember him telling my practice group about a sabbatical he's due for).

Not sure what the last question is meant to say.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:48 pm

Geyh is funny, yes. Eloquent? Not so much...

Hoffmann is great for crim, and a leader in the field right now.

I'll note that the quality of the profs in general is very high, and the faculty is definitely the best part about the school.

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Postby Mulliganstew » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:44 pm

Bankhead wrote:Geyh is funny, yes. Eloquent? Not so much...

Hoffmann is great for crim, and a leader in the field right now.

I'll note that the quality of the profs in general is very high, and the faculty is definitely the best part about the school.


Geyh is an amazing speaker. The only time he ever gets tripped up in class is when one of us says something so dumb he has to recalibrate. My practice group had lunch with him, and the guy communicates perfectly.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:04 pm

vandalvideo wrote:I'm considering the school and have two questions;

A) Do you know of anyone who lives on campus. (IE; Does IU allow law students on campus housing?) And if so, is the campus a good place to live?

B) How interesting are the professors at the univesity? Any examples which st and out?


I know one of the summer starters was in some sort of dorm, but I wouldn't recommend it. You can get a place around campus for reasonably cheap, or get a room in one of the houses down there for a couple hundred a month. The campus is great though.

Professors are awesome. Two of my teachers now were clerks for Rehnquist (one was one of his pallbearers). Depending on the teachers, you will get some funny and interesting discussion. I don't know if contracts can actually be interesting, but Criminal law with Bradley is great.

On a side note, did anyone go to that state of the school thing with Dean Robel? She said even the OCI's for NYU and Columbia have been cut in half, even though they are top schools in the middle of New York. It's a bad time now for jobs, but I'm hoping it picks up in the next few years.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:09 pm

Spoonmanners wrote:
vandalvideo wrote:I'm considering the school and have two questions;

A) Do you know of anyone who lives on campus. (IE; Does IU allow law students on campus housing?) And if so, is the campus a good place to live?

B) How interesting are the professors at the univesity? Any examples which st and out?


I know one of the summer starters was in some sort of dorm, but I wouldn't recommend it. You can get a place around campus for reasonably cheap, or get a room in one of the houses down there for a couple hundred a month. The campus is great though.

Professors are awesome. Two of my teachers now were clerks for Rehnquist (one was one of his pallbearers). Depending on the teachers, you will get some funny and interesting discussion. I don't know if contracts can actually be interesting, but Criminal law with Bradley is great.

On a side note, did anyone go to that state of the school thing with Dean Robel? She said even the OCI's for NYU and Columbia have been cut in half, even though they are top schools in the middle of New York. It's a bad time now for jobs, but I'm hoping it picks up in the next few years.


Well, good thing I didn't choose Fordham!

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Mulliganstew » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:13 pm

Spoonmanners wrote:
vandalvideo wrote:I'm considering the school and have two questions;

A) Do you know of anyone who lives on campus. (IE; Does IU allow law students on campus housing?) And if so, is the campus a good place to live?

B) How interesting are the professors at the univesity? Any examples which st and out?


I know one of the summer starters was in some sort of dorm, but I wouldn't recommend it. You can get a place around campus for reasonably cheap, or get a room in one of the houses down there for a couple hundred a month. The campus is great though.

Professors are awesome. Two of my teachers now were clerks for Rehnquist (one was one of his pallbearers). Depending on the teachers, you will get some funny and interesting discussion. I don't know if contracts can actually be interesting, but Criminal law with Bradley is great.

On a side note, did anyone go to that state of the school thing with Dean Robel? She said even the OCI's for NYU and Columbia have been cut in half, even though they are top schools in the middle of New York. It's a bad time now for jobs, but I'm hoping it picks up in the next few years.



Yeah. A guy I know went to it and he said it was the most depressing talk. I'm glad I missed it. I've got enough anxiety issues.

Also, contracts is interesting as long as you have Bethel. We may not be learning much, but it's certainly entertaining.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:25 pm

Bankhead wrote:Geyh is funny, yes. Eloquent? Not so much...

Hoffmann is great for crim, and a leader in the field right now.

I'll note that the quality of the profs in general is very high, and the faculty is definitely the best part about the school.


Agreed Hoffman is great.




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