seriously???? wrote: Lwoods wrote: tiansnake wrote:
I just got admitted by both IU Bloomington and Cardozo. Their scholarship are the same $ vs. $. For me it seems that ranking(or quality) and location are the only differences left. I'm thinking about go to IUB for its ranking(20 higher that Cardozo) but my friend told me to go to NYC for better job prospect. One more factor that makes me lean toward IUB is that the peer review of Cardozo on US News rankings is 2.8/5.0 while IUB is 3.4/5.0.
Is my consideration for these school mature? Anything I should have added but missed? I would really appreciate if you guys could share your thoughts with me.
Before returning to the Midwest, I worked for a V50 firm. I worked for two amazing women, one who is a partner at the firm, the other who had been on the recruiting committee for the firm but has since moved on to be a managing director at one of the big banks. I was chatting with the latter a year ago about which schools I would apply to if my husband matched in NY, naming the usual suspects (Columbia, NYU, Fordham, Cardozo). She said to not even bother to apply to Cardozo because it's on its way down. And, well, it is a bit of a joke school at my old firm (which is sad, because I know a number of bright people there).
I do think it will be difficult to break into the NY market from IU, but at least you will have a genuinely respected school on your resume for the entirety of your career. Maybe call the IU admissions office to see if there are any NYC based alumni you could speak with about the transition from IU to NYC.
I'm also not sure about the student environment at IUB (hopefully the current students can speak to that), but I've heard that Cardozo is particularly cut-throat. So, that's something to consider as well.
Will you get a chance to visit both?
I am sorry, but your opinion is biased. HARDLY ANYBODY ON THE EAST COAST HAS HEARD OF IUB LAW. That is just a fact. Your opinion, like so many other midwesterners is accurate for respective midwesterners, IUB is a good school for the midwest, and if you live in the midwest and want to work there, by all means go to IUB. But I have yet hear a single post from a student or graduate from the East who can say that IUB has a solid reputation there. Cardozo always places in the NLJ 250, IUB never did. So you may think a school like a cardozo is a shit hole, but the the 10-20 percent of graduates who are working biglaw in the worlds biggest legal market will most likely disagree with a statement that IUB is better reputation wise.
I am a native Midwesterner, but I did spend 8 years in NYC (4 years studying/working, 4 years working). Because I grew up in Indiana, I was extra aware of the reputation of Midwest schools when living in New York. I mean, I can't tell you what the NY BigLaw attorneys I worked with think about UNC or UC Davis or Tulane, because I've never lived in those regions. But, I did notice perceptions of IUB, ND, UIUC. One very senior attorney, for example, went to IU for undergrad, Yale for Law School. Obviously, Yale >
IUB, but he knows IU's law school and believes it to be respectable. The other attorney I worked with (a current partner) went to Purdue for undergrad, GW for law school, so again, she knows and thinks highly of IUB. And the attorney who told me not to bother applying to Cardozo? She's never lived in a flyover state, but, as she was on the recruiting committee for the firm, she also knows that IUB is a decent law school.
Now, if tiansnake's primary goal after law school is to get a job in NYC, then yes, Cardozo will continue to place a higher percentage of its graduates in NYC than IUB because it has to.
But, my interactions with attorneys, even those on Cardozo's home turf, lead me to the same conclusion that the US News Peer rankings indicate: IUB is more respected than Cardozo. And that, to me, means flexibility. I was also considering the trajectory. Cardozo is getting less respected; IUB has been respectable and seems to be making strides to maintain a good reputation.
IUB is at a disadvantage because it lacks the home turf that Cardozo does. But, students should use that to their advantage by seeking out the alumni in the various markets. If you want NY, seek out those IUB grads working in NY and start networking now.
fwiw, if this was full ride at IUB vs. full ride at Fordham, I would absolutely endorse Fordham. I just wanted to provide the insight I can given the [admittedly limited] experience I've had.
Good luck with your decision, tiansnake! Sorry for the novel.