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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby ChewbaccaDefense » Fri May 28, 2010 1:11 pm

ChewbaccaDefense wrote:I have several emails in; I'll report back when I have something.


Got some news: I've received word that there isn't any current discussion about making LRW graded this year. Take that for what you will, but I'm going to breathe a little easier.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Fri May 28, 2010 9:08 pm

Bankhead wrote:
Spoonmanners wrote:No way. They have been saying it for years, and it never happens.

The LRW teachers are also way too damn lazy to actually grade anything. The only thing that got an actual grade was the final memo and the final brief. You really have to twist their arm to get any sort of answer or writing help. No way they give themselves actual work to do.


My teacher was actually very helpful in terms of written feedback and was always available for help during office hours, etc. Too bad he left.


Oh yeah, I heard good things about Parrish. Which is probably why another school offered him tenure.

I would highly recommend not spending ANYWHERE near the amount they try to make you spend on that class, at least during the hellish first semester.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Fri May 28, 2010 9:23 pm

^^

Completely agree. LRW is the opiate of the masses. The design keeps people from achieving in their other classes. If you can find a way to "beat" LRW efficiently, that will help you achieve success in regards to GPA. The worst thing you can do is get bogged down in that class to the detriment of your others.

Do this by pulling all nighters near the due date. Don't start the assignment until 2 days before it is due. If you spend a week on the assignment, that is a week that you will have neglected your graded classes. For what? For the same "Pass" that appears on everyone's transcripts -- whether they spent 5 hours on the memo or 30 hours on the memo.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Fri May 28, 2010 9:50 pm

Bankhead wrote:^^

Completely agree. LRW is the opiate of the masses. The design keeps people from achieving in their other classes. If you can find a way to "beat" LRW efficiently, that will help you achieve success in regards to GPA. The worst thing you can do is get bogged down in that class to the detriment of your others.

Do this by pulling all nighters near the due date. Don't start the assignment until 2 days before it is due. If you spend a week on the assignment, that is a week that you will have neglected your graded classes. For what? For the same "Pass" that appears on everyone's transcripts -- whether they spent 5 hours on the memo or 30 hours on the memo.


1000% agreed. Even I said I would spend most of my time dedicated to the graded classes, but somehow ended up spending more time in LRW than at least one 4 credit hour course. I wish I would have just pulled the all nighters. My severely negative opinion of LRW could be just my teacher, the loads of busy work, the lack of useful information learned, or the extreme work load for what should only be a two credit hour course. At the end of the day, I would trade that pass for a low-pass to increase any grade I got either semester.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Fri May 28, 2010 10:09 pm

Well, I wouldn't want a "low pass". But those are so rarely given. You'd pretty much have to take a shit on the page.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Jay-Electronica » Fri May 28, 2010 10:16 pm

^^lol

I asked this in the other thread I think, but do you guys know anyone who secured a position with USAO for the summer?

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Fri May 28, 2010 10:32 pm

I'd say that the difference between a B+ and an A- are greater than the difference between a P and a LP, which show up as Satisfactory on the final transcript anyways.

JE: I'm not going to lie, and I had no idea what the USAO was. I don't think I came across any job postings or anyone even mention going for a USAO position. I wonder if they even take 1L's. But no, I'm not aware of anyone who got or attempted to get that position. I think. I can probably tell you more in August :lol:

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Jay-Electronica » Fri May 28, 2010 10:52 pm

Thanks spoon, I appreciate the feedback.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Sat May 29, 2010 4:25 am

USAO as in an internship with them? Cuz Im sure someone has one. I had an interview with the USAO but i got offered at the federal court first so I went with that.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Sat May 29, 2010 10:35 am

I'm going to preface all my posts with: "Well, kings has probably done the complete opposite, but..."

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby danquayle » Sat May 29, 2010 1:30 pm

Spoonmanners wrote:
Bankhead wrote:^^

Completely agree. LRW is the opiate of the masses. The design keeps people from achieving in their other classes. If you can find a way to "beat" LRW efficiently, that will help you achieve success in regards to GPA. The worst thing you can do is get bogged down in that class to the detriment of your others.

Do this by pulling all nighters near the due date. Don't start the assignment until 2 days before it is due. If you spend a week on the assignment, that is a week that you will have neglected your graded classes. For what? For the same "Pass" that appears on everyone's transcripts -- whether they spent 5 hours on the memo or 30 hours on the memo.


1000% agreed. Even I said I would spend most of my time dedicated to the graded classes, but somehow ended up spending more time in LRW than at least one 4 credit hour course. I wish I would have just pulled the all nighters. My severely negative opinion of LRW could be just my teacher, the loads of busy work, the lack of useful information learned, or the extreme work load for what should only be a two credit hour course. At the end of the day, I would trade that pass for a low-pass to increase any grade I got either semester.


While I agree in concept, I will say that I considered LRW to be the most useful class in terms of actually holistically understanding how law is applied. If you get the IRAC concept down cold, you're halfway to a good law school exam grade. LRW is definitely the "glue" class, and I think its designed to be that way... I had of "epiphany" moments in LRW.

I didn't spent much time on it and definitely pulled all nighters. But that approach isn't much different than how I approached my other classes.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Sat May 29, 2010 5:05 pm

Spoonmanners wrote:I'm going to preface all my posts with: "Well, kings has probably done the complete opposite, but..."


haha to be fair USAO is something im really really interested in, so taht is why I applied.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Sat May 29, 2010 9:47 pm

danquayle wrote:
Spoonmanners wrote:
Bankhead wrote:^^

Completely agree. LRW is the opiate of the masses. The design keeps people from achieving in their other classes. If you can find a way to "beat" LRW efficiently, that will help you achieve success in regards to GPA. The worst thing you can do is get bogged down in that class to the detriment of your others.

Do this by pulling all nighters near the due date. Don't start the assignment until 2 days before it is due. If you spend a week on the assignment, that is a week that you will have neglected your graded classes. For what? For the same "Pass" that appears on everyone's transcripts -- whether they spent 5 hours on the memo or 30 hours on the memo.


1000% agreed. Even I said I would spend most of my time dedicated to the graded classes, but somehow ended up spending more time in LRW than at least one 4 credit hour course. I wish I would have just pulled the all nighters. My severely negative opinion of LRW could be just my teacher, the loads of busy work, the lack of useful information learned, or the extreme work load for what should only be a two credit hour course. At the end of the day, I would trade that pass for a low-pass to increase any grade I got either semester.


While I agree in concept, I will say that I considered LRW to be the most useful class in terms of actually holistically understanding how law is applied. If you get the IRAC concept down cold, you're halfway to a good law school exam grade. LRW is definitely the "glue" class, and I think its designed to be that way... I had of "epiphany" moments in LRW.

I didn't spent much time on it and definitely pulled all nighters. But that approach isn't much different than how I approached my other classes.


Ehh... I would say that applying the skills you learn in LRW to law school exams hurts as many people as it helps. There are crossover elements, but if your exam prep consists of trying to apply LRW skills to your exams, you might be in some trouble. I actually do use a version of IRAC on most exams, but I wouldn't be caught dead using my exam style on LRW, or vice versa.

You should be exploring other avenues to learn how to write good law exams. Staying true to the IRAC model will screw you in a lot of classes. I know some people who got shit grades on exams, but a high pass in LRW

Though I realize you said "halfway".

And congrats on graduating, dan!

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Sat May 29, 2010 11:24 pm

Jay-Electronica wrote:^^lol

I asked this in the other thread I think, but do you guys know anyone who secured a position with USAO for the summer?


Yes. I have a friend who is doing USAO this summer. It's do-able.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby onetimeonly95 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:46 am

Hey guys, I would like some advice. I posted this before but I'm still torn between attending IU-B and taking the year off. I would be leaving my gf, friends, and family who are all on the east coast. I ideally want to work in the NY/NJ BOS and maybe philly area but it doesn't seem that an IU-B degree will take me THAT far. I am URM and I was told that specific diversity programs may work in my favor. My goals are to work in a large firm for a while and then move to a midsized firm or go inhouse. Any advice? I have a 90k scholly and I don't know if I want to pass that up. I'm also on Cornell and Vandy waiting lists but I'm not banking on getting off them.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Mulliganstew » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:34 pm

FWIW, I have a friend who managed to network his way into an appellate clerkship in Jersey over the summer. It would obviously take work, but it can be done.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby ChewbaccaDefense » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:38 pm

I have a question about getting out of town. Assuming I'd look to take a quick weekend "off," what are some good, cheap places to escape to from Bloomington? I don't have a car, so mass transit is a plus, but not a requisite.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:21 pm

Does anyone know the grade deadline? I know Steele basically admitted he wouldnt turn in our grades till then. Krishnan seems like the type to get it in early. Im worried it may still be another couple weeks, which really sucks.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:44 pm

onetimeonly: NY and Boston are a little out of the reach, but it can still be done. It would just take plenty of leg work on your part to get a job afterwards.

Chewbacca: There are a few casinos a few hours out. I'm sure there are plenty of small getaways, but there's not a whole lot of time to get to them. Chicago and Nashville are both 4 hours away, and are popular destinations.

Kings: I think it's 4 weeks after the last final, but that is actually coming up.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Bankhead » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:46 pm

Spoonmanners wrote:onetimeonly: NY and Boston are a little out of the reach, but it can still be done. It would just take plenty of leg work on your part to get a job afterwards.

Chewbacca: There are a few casinos a few hours out. I'm sure there are plenty of small getaways, but there's not a whole lot of time to get to them. Chicago and Nashville are both 4 hours away, and are popular destinations.

Kings: I think it's 4 weeks after the last final, but that is actually coming up.


I thought it was four weeks from the date of EACH final (i.e. June 1 would be the deadline for the Con Law final on May 1). Though your interpretation has much higher formal realizability...

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:03 pm

Bankhead wrote:I thought it was four weeks from the date of EACH final (i.e. June 1 would be the deadline for the Con Law final on May 1). Though your interpretation has much higher formal realizability...


Yeah, my contracts grade was the last one I got, over 6 weeks after when I took it. I believe at the time it was 4 weeks or 1 month after the end of finals week.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby downstream » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:27 pm

What is the curve at IUB? 3.0? 3.3?

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:49 pm

bankhead: your formal realizability comment gave me flashback to the good old torts days

You guys are way more up to date on this stuff then me.

Technically each class is curved to between a 3.2 and a 3.3, but the median gpa is usually about a 3.3 or so.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby danquayle » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:16 am

Bankhead wrote:
danquayle wrote:
Spoonmanners wrote:
Bankhead wrote:^^

Completely agree. LRW is the opiate of the masses. The design keeps people from achieving in their other classes. If you can find a way to "beat" LRW efficiently, that will help you achieve success in regards to GPA. The worst thing you can do is get bogged down in that class to the detriment of your others.

Do this by pulling all nighters near the due date. Don't start the assignment until 2 days before it is due. If you spend a week on the assignment, that is a week that you will have neglected your graded classes. For what? For the same "Pass" that appears on everyone's transcripts -- whether they spent 5 hours on the memo or 30 hours on the memo.


1000% agreed. Even I said I would spend most of my time dedicated to the graded classes, but somehow ended up spending more time in LRW than at least one 4 credit hour course. I wish I would have just pulled the all nighters. My severely negative opinion of LRW could be just my teacher, the loads of busy work, the lack of useful information learned, or the extreme work load for what should only be a two credit hour course. At the end of the day, I would trade that pass for a low-pass to increase any grade I got either semester.


While I agree in concept, I will say that I considered LRW to be the most useful class in terms of actually holistically understanding how law is applied. If you get the IRAC concept down cold, you're halfway to a good law school exam grade. LRW is definitely the "glue" class, and I think its designed to be that way... I had of "epiphany" moments in LRW.

I didn't spent much time on it and definitely pulled all nighters. But that approach isn't much different than how I approached my other classes.


Ehh... I would say that applying the skills you learn in LRW to law school exams hurts as many people as it helps. There are crossover elements, but if your exam prep consists of trying to apply LRW skills to your exams, you might be in some trouble. I actually do use a version of IRAC on most exams, but I wouldn't be caught dead using my exam style on LRW, or vice versa.

You should be exploring other avenues to learn how to write good law exams. Staying true to the IRAC model will screw you in a lot of classes. I know some people who got shit grades on exams, but a high pass in LRW

Though I realize you said "halfway".

And congrats on graduating, dan!


Thanks, but I've been out a year now... :)

Hard to believe.




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