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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Jay-Electronica » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:42 pm

Where do you guys live?? Anyone Live in Millenium or Uptown?

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Postby Vincent Vega » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:18 pm

Jay-Electronica wrote:Where do you guys live?? Anyone Live in Millenium or Uptown?

I took a tour at Uptown. It was a POS. It's $400/mo more than the place I ended up leasing for a much worse place. Can't beat the location, of course, but the place looks nothing like the pictures on their website show.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:28 pm

while I dont relaly wanna say exactly where I live, but its about a mile or two south of campus on the 7 bus route. Its about a 20-25 minute walk to school, which is annoying at times, but refreshing to get away as well.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:13 pm

If anyone needs Kings address, I'm pretty sure I can figure it out if you PM me.

j/k, that would be weird.

The Uptown is expensive, but it's right on the square. Some of the apartments are pretty cool, and I think they are pretty hard to get due to the location. Someone told me the awesome 3rd story apartments with tall windows are gone in like November or something.

I've heard mixed things about Millenium, but I haven't actually been there.

How you doing with Willys Conlaw? The supplements suck, because all his tests are different. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna learn a lot about conlaw in the next two days.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby kings84_wr » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:44 pm

I feel pretty ok about con law haha. Im sketchy on dred scott, and i feel pretty sure that he is gonna put that on the exam. Also I have no idea waht to do on the policy question

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Postby superflush » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:26 am

kings84_wr wrote:while I dont relaly wanna say exactly where I live, but its about a mile or two south of campus on the 7 bus route. Its about a 20-25 minute walk to school, which is annoying at times, but refreshing to get away as well.


Spoonmanners wrote:If anyone needs Kings address, I'm pretty sure I can figure it out if you PM me.

j/k, that would be weird.

lol.
It seems like a lot of people are looking at (or living) in apartments owned by apt management companies. Anybody had success getting a place from a stand-alone landlord?

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:14 am

superflush wrote:lol.
It seems like a lot of people are looking at (or living) in apartments owned by apt management companies. Anybody had success getting a place from a stand-alone landlord?


Like renting out a room in a house? I think a few people do, but the cheaper places are less than preferable lodging. Usually the places renting an entire house are run by some sort of management company.

If anyone is coming in without scholarship but has good credit, you could get a nice house on the cheap, and probably even rent out a few of the rooms, and I think it will get you instate (don't rely on this). Has anyone else tried this? I know a few students who bought their own house because obviously their credit is better mine, but I never thought it would be cool to ask about their financial situations. But as is my understanding, you can get instate from marrying someone from Indiana, or buying property. Just not sure if there is some sort of waiting period.

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Postby superflush » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:05 pm

Spoonmanners wrote:Like renting out a room in a house? I think a few people do, but the cheaper places are less than preferable lodging. Usually the places renting an entire house are run by some sort of management company.

If anyone is coming in without scholarship but has good credit, you could get a nice house on the cheap, and probably even rent out a few of the rooms, and I think it will get you instate (don't rely on this). Has anyone else tried this? I know a few students who bought their own house because obviously their credit is better mine, but I never thought it would be cool to ask about their financial situations. But as is my understanding, you can get instate from marrying someone from Indiana, or buying property. Just not sure if there is some sort of waiting period.


I don't think it would get you instate, but if it did, I might look into that.
I thought the whole thing is that you have to live here a full whole year before you start school.

Actually, I meant apartments that were just owned by individual landlords. Like they own a building and have an apartment or two in the building, and they went them out. (I wouldn't want to rent just a room). But now that I think of it, Bloomington probably doesn't have many of these kinds of places. It is probably just apartment management companies owning apartment complexes or big houses broken up into apartments, and the only individually-owned places are probably houses where 4 or 5 people would live.

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Postby Spoonmanners » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:37 am

superflush wrote:
I don't think it would get you instate, but if it did, I might look into that.
I thought the whole thing is that you have to live here a full whole year before you start school.

Actually, I meant apartments that were just owned by individual landlords. Like they own a building and have an apartment or two in the building, and they went them out. (I wouldn't want to rent just a room). But now that I think of it, Bloomington probably doesn't have many of these kinds of places. It is probably just apartment management companies owning apartment complexes or big houses broken up into apartments, and the only individually-owned places are probably houses where 4 or 5 people would live.


I know they have difficult requirements, but owning property should mean you are a citizen of the state.

According to Saenz v. Roe:

The 14th Amendment says a person is a citizen in another state from Day 1, from the moment you reside/move there. You do not have to wait to become a citizen. It is matter of showing you intend to stay. Protects the right to travel and resettle other places.

14th amendment P&I FTMFW!

If you aren't on scholarship, it would certainly be worth it to check it out. It could save you a lot of cash, and you can sell it in 3 years.

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Postby danquayle » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:59 am

Spoonmanners wrote:
superflush wrote:
I don't think it would get you instate, but if it did, I might look into that.
I thought the whole thing is that you have to live here a full whole year before you start school.

Actually, I meant apartments that were just owned by individual landlords. Like they own a building and have an apartment or two in the building, and they went them out. (I wouldn't want to rent just a room). But now that I think of it, Bloomington probably doesn't have many of these kinds of places. It is probably just apartment management companies owning apartment complexes or big houses broken up into apartments, and the only individually-owned places are probably houses where 4 or 5 people would live.


I know they have difficult requirements, but owning property should mean you are a citizen of the state.

According to Saenz v. Roe:

The 14th Amendment says a person is a citizen in another state from Day 1, from the moment you reside/move there. You do not have to wait to become a citizen. It is matter of showing you intend to stay. Protects the right to travel and resettle other places.

14th amendment P&I FTMFW!

If you aren't on scholarship, it would certainly be worth it to check it out. It could save you a lot of cash, and you can sell it in 3 years.


Nah, buddy of mine tried that after reading that case... he had a house in Bloomington. Didn't work.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Threepeat » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:01 am

Spoonmanners wrote:
superflush wrote:
I don't think it would get you instate, but if it did, I might look into that.
I thought the whole thing is that you have to live here a full whole year before you start school.

Actually, I meant apartments that were just owned by individual landlords. Like they own a building and have an apartment or two in the building, and they went them out. (I wouldn't want to rent just a room). But now that I think of it, Bloomington probably doesn't have many of these kinds of places. It is probably just apartment management companies owning apartment complexes or big houses broken up into apartments, and the only individually-owned places are probably houses where 4 or 5 people would live.


I know they have difficult requirements, but owning property should mean you are a citizen of the state.

According to Saenz v. Roe:

The 14th Amendment says a person is a citizen in another state from Day 1, from the moment you reside/move there. You do not have to wait to become a citizen. It is matter of showing you intend to stay. Protects the right to travel and resettle other places.

14th amendment P&I FTMFW!

If you aren't on scholarship, it would certainly be worth it to check it out. It could save you a lot of cash, and you can sell it in 3 years.


You might be classified as an Indiana resident, but not for tuition purposes.

From the office of Registrar website:

Is it possible to be a legal resident of the state of Indiana and still be a nonresident student at Indiana University?

Yes. The state of Indiana determines for specific purposes (driver's licenses, voter registration, etc.) the requirements for becoming a legal resident of the state. However, the state legislature has delegated to Indiana's institutions of higher education the responsibility of determining when a person becomes eligible for resident student status.

Many nonresident students are considered legal residents of the state. These individuals are eligible to carry an Indiana driver's license, to register to vote, and to be called to serve as members of juries. However, persons who reside in Indiana for the predominant purpose of education are considered nonresidents for fee-paying purposes at the University.


It pretty much states you have to be physically present in Indiana for 12 months, the main reason not being education.

I didn't see anything about specifically about owning property, but I don't think that would change the 12 month rule since it states paying income or property tax won't change the 12 month rule.

Also, this is from the Office of the Registrar for the university as a whole, so I'm not sure if it would be different for the law school.

http://registrar.indiana.edu/resiinfo.shtml

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Postby Threepeat » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:02 am

danquayle wrote:Nah, buddy of mine tried that after reading that case... he had a house in Bloomington. Didn't work.


TITCR because it is much shorter than my post.

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby Spoonmanners » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:12 am

Damn, Saenz v. Roe FTL.

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Postby kings84_wr » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:35 am

Williams said that Indiana's requirements is just asking for a law suit though, soooo one of you guys can be the test victim.

I think Saenz is different because it was not a good faith residency requirement but rather its durational, in Saenz the lady was considered citizen and they were depriving her of the Welfare benefits, the only requirement for the welfare was the one year waiting period. So the court said that it was not good faith but simply a way for them to save money or prevent people from moving to CA. so it violated P/I of the 14th.

So schools get around it by adding in things like drivers license, voter registration, and all that with being here a certain amount of time and it makes it ok. So if its a bunch of things combined its ok. Durational standards are are ok of they are part of a good faith residency standard to show that someone actually lived in the stae, But in Saenz they were never denying that the chick actually lived in CA.

Even though functionally its the same exact thing. and IU's is wayyy close to the line of good faith and may get sued and lose

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Postby danquayle » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:26 pm

kings84_wr wrote:Williams said that Indiana's requirements is just asking for a law suit though, soooo one of you guys can be the test victim.

I think Saenz is different because it was not a good faith residency requirement but rather its durational, in Saenz the lady was considered citizen and they were depriving her of the Welfare benefits, the only requirement for the welfare was the one year waiting period. So the court said that it was not good faith but simply a way for them to save money or prevent people from moving to CA. so it violated P/I of the 14th.

So schools get around it by adding in things like drivers license, voter registration, and all that with being here a certain amount of time and it makes it ok. So if its a bunch of things combined its ok. Durational standards are are ok of they are part of a good faith residency standard to show that someone actually lived in the stae, But in Saenz they were never denying that the chick actually lived in CA.

Even though functionally its the same exact thing. and IU's is wayyy close to the line of good faith and may get sued and lose


FWIW, the only time I ever heard of anyone successfully reclassified as an Indiana resident for tuition purposes was the spouse of a law student who wanted to pick up an Masters while waiting for her husband to finish his degree. In that instance, she could legitimately argue that education wasn't her "primary purpose" for living in Indiana.

Edit: And the guy explicitly told me that the argument only worked for one of them. That is, one of them had to claim to be the primary "education seeker" and one the "follower."

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Postby kings84_wr » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:36 pm

if htere is a residency P/I question on the exam tomorrow Im blaming Spoon

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Postby WSULeifJ » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:16 pm

I want to know why the Facebook group for IU Class of 2013 has an exclamation mark at the end of it. I mean, seriously. What on earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rd7j-aSqFU

Trent gets extra points from me now for not putting an exclamation mark in the group name when he made the 2012 group. I took it for granted at the time...

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Postby WSULeifJ » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:01 pm

Haha, I thank the poster who saw my post and got rid of it. Strike a blow for those of us who hate superfluous exclamation marks.

I have to find joy in weird places when the con law final is all of 14 hours away.

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Postby Vincent Vega » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:31 pm

I got an email from facebook that said the group name had changed, and it took me about a minute to realize what had changed.

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Postby superflush » Sat May 01, 2010 1:04 am

Vincent Vega wrote:I got an email from facebook that said the group name had changed, and it took me about a minute to realize what had changed.


I didn't get that email. Nice. I try to keep the low-level meaningless emails from Facebook to a low, but I occasional get stuff that has no relevance to me at all.

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Postby kings84_wr » Sat May 01, 2010 1:04 pm

I hope Prof williams enjoys 6,000 words i just gave him haha.

Only one more left! I can see the light at teh end of hte tunnel

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Postby ChewbaccaDefense » Mon May 03, 2010 1:46 pm

I'm getting ready to head into Bloomington this month to nail down my apartment for next year. I know Poolside tends to be popular with law students. It look pretty good, but can anybody tell me if the pool is indoor or outdoor?

I've also been looking at these other properties:

Bicycle Apts (200 S Madison), Campus Walk (520 N Grant), Canadian Apts (327/329 W 1st St), Maple Leaf Apts (407 S Dunn), Maple Grove (408 S Dunn).

Any opinions on these, particularly for somebody who is moving to Bloomington without a car? Oh yeah, and I'm old-ish (28) and would like to see if I can put some distance between myself and undergrads.

Also, are there any bus lines that stand out as preferable than the others as far as frequency of buses, later operating times, coverage of the city, etc?

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Postby Bankhead » Mon May 03, 2010 10:21 pm

Campus Walk, if it's what I'm thinking of, is a decent deal for the $. 10 min walk from school (which is fine during the fall/spring but sucks when it's 10 degrees out). You can live closer for the same amount of money, but the walk is nice sometimes.

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Postby kings84_wr » Tue May 04, 2010 6:19 pm

Just thought I would complain about closed book exams and model answers that are insanely broad and filled with irrelevant facts and history . . .

So question for Spoon and whoever else is in class with us: are you gonna give all this background stuff like the model? I mean it seems like he wants a case cite, a rule statement, a in depth history of how the rule progressed, application to the facts, and then throw in any other rules connected to the theory regardless if they have no application to the facts.

Like seriously in his answer he brought up tacking in Adv Poss. when there was only one Adv Possesser for the entire statutory period. Why should we have to point out that tacking is not relevant when it so clearly is not part of the analysis lol.

I thought the point of law school was to discern the issues, apply the law, and not write about what is not relevant?

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Re: Indiana University - Bloomington 1L's taking questions

Postby fenderjsm88 » Tue May 04, 2010 6:40 pm

Here's a question, and I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but it's a serious concern of mine considering the current legal market:
Do most of the 1Ls have jobs (paid or unpaid) lined up for the summer? If so, are people getting summer positions in the Chicago area? One of the 1Ls that I met told me that it was very hard to get a 1L summer job in Chicago, but not as difficult to find something in Indianapolis...but then again that guy was from Indianapolis, so would it be easier for me since I'm from Chicago, or is that irrelevant? Also, are people landing summer positions in DC? I know that a group of 1Ls took a trip out there for an IU job fair. Thanks.




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