Based on your observations thus far, how would you rate the accessibility of the faculty? I'm thinking rockstars like Coffee too. Do you see him in between his tv apperances?
Pretty accessible. I was seated with Schizer (the dean) at the 1L dinner. Coffee was at the next table. Phillip Bobbitt (big deal in national security law) teaches one of the 1L Legal Methods (introductory class) sections and shows up to a lot of the events.
It's not like I drop by their office hours all the time (unless I have them for class), but it's not like they run out of class to go work on their next book. Most of the professors hang around and seem to care about the law students. I imagine this becomes even more true if you're in their classes.
The other thing I'd add is most of the superstar professors actually teach big classes you can get into, which wasn't the case at my undergrad necessarily.
Helmholtz wrote:Did you guys apply RD and what other schools in the T10 did you get accepted to, and genuinely consider before deciding on CLS?
I applied to HYSCCNVPB. I got in everywhere except for HYS. The only other schools I really considered were Chicago and NYU. Chose CLS over NYU for the reasons outlined earlier, chose CLS over Chicago because I wanted to be in New York.
gahthelaw wrote:it might be too early to answer this question since you're all just getting to know each other now, but how nervous do your classmates (and 2Ls / 3Ls as well) feel about their job potential ITE? generally speaking, are people who are paying sticker and funding it all on loans freaking out, or is there a sense of "well this is still CLS"?
This is actually the only big downer so far. Things are BAD this year, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
The 3Ls are doing alright - Dean Schizer rattled off some stats at a talk the other day. Something like 90% of them have jobs lined up already, but a decent amount (about a third if I remember correctly) are deferred from anywhere from 4 months to a year.
Anecdotally, from those that I've talked to, the 2Ls are getting absolutely fucked (for CLS). Top 20% is still doing almost as well as normal (10+ callbacks, lots of offers). Top 50% seem to mostly have offers as long as they're not super-awkward, though many fewer than last year (1 or 2 here and there), and at lower caliber firms. The bottom half of the class is in serious trouble - some people have jobs lined up for the summer, but a very good portion of the bottom half will not be getting firm jobs through EIP (our OCI). People just are not hiring this year. There were kids around median with 1 or 2 callbacks (which is terrible for CLS). I believe most of these people will get jobs and be able to pay off their loans, but they are going to have to hustle pretty hard to find stuff on their own, whether it's government, public interest, or smaller/regional firms that don't come to OCI.
No one really knows what it will be like for us next year, but the consensus seems to be "better than this year, but not as good as the boom." During 2005-2007, supposedly if you were top third, you waltzed into a V10. Anyone except for bottom 10% could swing a V100 job. That is not the case anymore, and probably will not be in the near future. That said, I don't think going forward it will be like this year, where bottom half is struggling to get jobs period.
If you are applying now, I would not be overly worried about it.