UVA Law Students Taking Questions

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby bgdddymtty » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:17 pm

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Ixiion wrote:Related Q to the shootings: My mother lives there and was telling me about how the opposite side of campus grounds is "dangerous"; a lot of reported rapes and general crimes. Is it actually that bad (& if it is, where? where should I be avoiding?) or is it just over-protective parent-ness?
It seems like every couple weeks or so we get a message from the police that there's been some sort of attempted sexual assault (and occasionally just a regular assault) in the area on either side of Main (which is the same street as both University and Ivy, FYI) between The Corner and the Amtrak station. The victims are almost always co-eds walking home alone well after midnight, who are accosted by some dude who jumps out of the bushes or runs up behind them. In most of the reports, yelling and fighting back have been enough the dissuade the perpetrator, although there was a report of actual rape a month or two ago.

I doubt that a law student would have much reason to be walking in one of these neighborhoods in the wee hours of the morning, but if you're going to do so, take a friend.
Apropos of this topic, we just received the following email, which is about as typical as they come:
PRESS RELEASE: Forcible Fondling
DATE: June 28, 2013
BY: Lt. Ronnie Roberts, Charlottesville Police Department
This morning at approximately 1:30 a.m. in the 700 block of Madison Avenue, a 24-year-old U.Va. female student was walking home and stopped briefly to get her keys from her purse. It was at this point she was grabbed from behind and fondled. The suspect then fled on foot, running towards Preston Avenue.
The suspect is described as an African American male, approx. 5'8" to 5'10" and 140 to 150 lbs. wearing black pants, black shirt and a black baseball cap. Anyone with any information about this case is asked to please call Crime Stoppers (434) 977-4000.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby envisciguy » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:43 pm

I feel like we get one of these forcible fondling emails every week or so, but they're always co-eds walking home alone really late at night.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby bananapeanutbutter » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:53 pm

5ky wrote:No, it's not a situation where people aren't putting in the work re: Cohen. His exams, not just PR, are objectively absurd. Definitely my hardest LS exam.

I feel like the forced curve changes this. Idk but maybe his class is more work overall. I will say Hylton is very transparent and clear on what he wants, and it's not that hard to get an A on. You can also study for 2 days, never read and get a B+ because what he wants is to just be able to apply the rules, and make good arguments with them. There are enough complete slackers and LLMs to always get the B+.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:14 pm

bananapeanutbutter wrote:
5ky wrote:No, it's not a situation where people aren't putting in the work re: Cohen. His exams, not just PR, are objectively absurd. Definitely my hardest LS exam.

I feel like the forced curve changes this. Idk but maybe his class is more work overall. I will say Hylton is very transparent and clear on what he wants, and it's not that hard to get an A on. You can also study for 2 days, never read and get a B+ because what he wants is to just be able to apply the rules, and make good arguments with them. There are enough complete slackers and LLMs to always get the B+.


We're talking about two different things. For something like a Cohen exam, which it seems clear you haven't had the joy of experiencing, it is actually probably a little easier to beat the curve if you are willing to put in the effort to understand what the professor is looking for and have a decent to good grasp on the material. Very difficult exams yield wide spreads and greater certainty in beating the curve with effort.

But the actual exam itself is very, very hard. You can get an A+ with a much worse exam relative to points available than an A- in a more straightforward class. You generally won't get an A+ if you miss major issues and have numerous misstatements of law in your exam, but it is possible for Cohen precisely because of the difficulty of the exam + the curve

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby kingjones59 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:05 pm

I will be living approx 7 miles/15 minutes from the Corner- will I have a problem getting a taxi home? I'm hoping the c'ville taxis venture out this far. If so, anyone have an idea of how much they would charge for such a cab ride? (for budgeting purposes)

Edit: Its basically 7 miles straight up 29N
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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby sprezz » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:30 pm

i've been in a cab that's taken me from the corner to a location much further than 7 miles, so it seems likely. i guess they might discriminate in which direction they go, but my guess is you'll be fine.

edit: yeah you're good up 29N. enjoy your proximity to which wich and martin's grill.
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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby dailygrind » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:37 pm

envisciguy wrote:I feel like we get one of these forcible fondling emails every week or so, but they're always co-eds walking home alone really late at night.


Surprisingly, I've only gotten 6 of those emails over the last 3 years.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby bgdddymtty » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:52 pm

bananapeanutbutter wrote:
5ky wrote:No, it's not a situation where people aren't putting in the work re: Cohen. His exams, not just PR, are objectively absurd. Definitely my hardest LS exam.

I feel like the forced curve changes this. Idk but maybe his class is more work overall. I will say Hylton is very transparent and clear on what he wants, and it's not that hard to get an A on. You can also study for 2 days, never read and get a B+ because what he wants is to just be able to apply the rules, and make good arguments with them. There are enough complete slackers and LLMs to always get the B+.
I think that's generally true, but my personal experience was the opposite. I took both Hylton's class and the MPRE last semester. I got a 95th+ percentile score (134) on the MPRE, took a day or two to review for the final, felt like the exam went quite well, and ended up with a B. Who knows what all of that means, but it's at least a cautionary tale for anyone thinking that the class is an automatic B+.
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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby envisciguy » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:48 pm

dailygrind wrote:
envisciguy wrote:I feel like we get one of these forcible fondling emails every week or so, but they're always co-eds walking home alone really late at night.


Surprisingly, I've only gotten 6 of those emails over the last 3 years.


Ha, guess I'm being a little hyperbolic, but they stand out.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Ixiion » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:46 am

I don't know why, but I find the way they phrased that to be a little funny. I laughed and then felt bad for laughing. Forcible fondling. Fondling. Really. Why not just say sexual assault, which it is? It sounds more.. I don't know.. real/serious than "fondling."

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 005618502 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:07 pm

Is it a bad idea to try to take corporations, securities regulations and accounting/corporate finance (and one other class) all at the same time? Thinking about corporations and accounting/corp finance because I think they will be useful, but dont want to overload myself with securities regulations if that would be to much.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:25 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:Is it a bad idea to try to take corporations, securities regulations and accounting/corporate finance (and one other class) all at the same time? Thinking about corporations and accounting/corp finance because I think they will be useful, but dont want to overload myself with securities regulations if that would be to much.


nah. acct/corp finance is nice because you have a final in the middle of the semester for accounting. so during finals, you'll only be responsible for 2 credits of material (corporate finance).

i wouldn't take another super substantive class for your 4th, though

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 005618502 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:27 pm

5ky wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:Is it a bad idea to try to take corporations, securities regulations and accounting/corporate finance (and one other class) all at the same time? Thinking about corporations and accounting/corp finance because I think they will be useful, but dont want to overload myself with securities regulations if that would be to much.


nah. acct/corp finance is nice because you have a final in the middle of the semester for accounting. so during finals, you'll only be responsible for 2 credits of material (corporate finance).

i wouldn't take another super substantive class for your 4th, though


What would an example of this be? I have already taken PR (realizing taking that as a 1L was a bad idea now).

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:51 pm

seminars aren't that much work. depending on which one you take, you might have a substantial paper due for it, but you can do that on your own time, and there's not much work to do throughout the semester for a seminar.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby jmjm » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:04 pm

A prospective applicant looking for feedback. Is the following a realistic goal post-JD?

IP protection / regulation work on behalf of public.

What types of employment exist for intellectual property related to technology for public good?

Have an engineering degree and substantial work ex in technology industry. Considering JD so I can go to my native country that is developing many new industries and help define their ip/copyright laws.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby bananapeanutbutter » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:55 am

That sucks - hopefully you weren't a 1L. It seems like the tests are very different. Did u make counter arguments - add in comments? Were you sub 10? The multiple choice doesn't give u a chance to stick in reasoning or go beyond the right answer. I really just made a very direct outline of the rules, and his jokes from class.... 1 day is rough. I did 3 half ass days so depending on your efficiency that 1 day may have been unfair. My regret is doing the readings for 90 percent of my work. I could have done 1 half ass day then, have the same grade and maybe snagged a better conlaw. Live and learn.

bgdddymtty wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:
5ky wrote:No, it's not a situation where people aren't putting in the work re: Cohen. His exams, not just PR, are objectively absurd. Definitely my hardest LS exam.

I feel like the forced curve changes this. Idk but maybe his class is more work overall. I will say Hylton is very transparent and clear on what he wants, and it's not that hard to get an A on. You can also study for 2 days, never read and get a B+ because what he wants is to just be able to apply the rules, and make good arguments with them. There are enough complete slackers and LLMs to always get the B+.
I think that's generally true, but my personal experience was the opposite. I took both Hylton's class and the MPRE last semester. I got a 95th+ percentile score (134) on the MPRE, took a day or two to review for the final, felt like the exam went quite well, and ended up with a B. Who knows what all of that means, but it's at least a cautionary tale for anyone thinking that the class is an automatic B+.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby shibby » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:30 pm

Forgive me if this has been covered, I did a search with no luck and didn't want to wade through 300+ pages.

So, was wondering if anyone could give an idea of a typical class schedule?? Obviously I know they vary by section, but I'm mostly interested in the breakdown for Friday classes, as there is something I'm hoping to regularly attend in the early afternoon. Thanks a bunch.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:40 pm

shibby wrote:Forgive me if this has been covered, I did a search with no luck and didn't want to wade through 300+ pages.

So, was wondering if anyone could give an idea of a typical class schedule?? Obviously I know they vary by section, but I'm mostly interested in the breakdown for Friday classes, as there is something I'm hoping to regularly attend in the early afternoon. Thanks a bunch.


just look on lawweb at the schedules of the different 1L classes (civil procedure, contracts, criminal law, torts, and legal research & writing)

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby shibby » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:52 pm

5ky wrote:
shibby wrote:Forgive me if this has been covered, I did a search with no luck and didn't want to wade through 300+ pages.

So, was wondering if anyone could give an idea of a typical class schedule?? Obviously I know they vary by section, but I'm mostly interested in the breakdown for Friday classes, as there is something I'm hoping to regularly attend in the early afternoon. Thanks a bunch.


just look on lawweb at the schedules of the different 1L classes (civil procedure, contracts, criminal law, torts, and legal research & writing)


Looks as though you need to create a guest Law Web account, which requires putting in a minimum $5 printing deposit.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:04 pm

shibby wrote:
5ky wrote:
shibby wrote:Forgive me if this has been covered, I did a search with no luck and didn't want to wade through 300+ pages.

So, was wondering if anyone could give an idea of a typical class schedule?? Obviously I know they vary by section, but I'm mostly interested in the breakdown for Friday classes, as there is something I'm hoping to regularly attend in the early afternoon. Thanks a bunch.


just look on lawweb at the schedules of the different 1L classes (civil procedure, contracts, criminal law, torts, and legal research & writing)


Looks as though you need to create a guest Law Web account, which requires putting in a minimum $5 printing deposit.


huh? are you not a 0L?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby shibby » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:06 pm

5ky wrote:
shibby wrote:
5ky wrote:
shibby wrote:Forgive me if this has been covered, I did a search with no luck and didn't want to wade through 300+ pages.

So, was wondering if anyone could give an idea of a typical class schedule?? Obviously I know they vary by section, but I'm mostly interested in the breakdown for Friday classes, as there is something I'm hoping to regularly attend in the early afternoon. Thanks a bunch.


just look on lawweb at the schedules of the different 1L classes (civil procedure, contracts, criminal law, torts, and legal research & writing)


Looks as though you need to create a guest Law Web account, which requires putting in a minimum $5 printing deposit.


huh? are you not a 0L?


I am a 0L. Is there a workaround I'm missing? As far as I know we haven't gotten Lawweb log ins yet.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:12 pm

o that sucks, i'm sure you'll get it soon.

some of the torts sections have class friday afternoon, and then another few sections have lrw friday afternoon.

some morning classes on friday, too, depending on section. contracts, a little crim

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby sprezz » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:27 pm

unofficial course schedule website that's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SIS or law web:

http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/mySIS/CS2 ... &Group=LAW

there is some delay in terms of updating things that change with some frequency (# of people enrolled in a class, # on waitlist) relative to SIS because it mines the data from SIS at not-constant intervals, but the format is infinitely better and it updates often enough for government work. the only thing law web is better for is in-depth course descriptions, but lou's list pulls SIS course descriptions which are passable

browse away

edit: click randomly in different colors to make different pop-ups appear with info about course or prof. you'll get the hang of it

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby shibby » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:41 pm

Thank you both!

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby envisciguy » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:03 pm

shibby wrote:
I am a 0L. Is there a workaround I'm missing? As far as I know we haven't gotten Lawweb log ins yet.


I know someone else posted a different link, but here's the workaround you were looking for from the UVA law website.

http://lawnotes2.law.virginia.edu/lawwe ... Expand=1#1




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