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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby digifly » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:50 pm

shadowofjazz wrote:
digifly wrote:Don't worry, I was kiddin'. I'd use a Kindle if only it were feasible.
I'm planning on using a kindle for everything except the casebook.


Which Kindle? And what's available?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby albanach » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:16 pm

digifly wrote:Which Kindle? And what's available?


A lot of supplements are available for the kindle, but I don't like it very much. Books are just nicer to read and scribble notes on.

Books are also cheaper at the PILA book sale, or can be bought new or used on Amazon and usually resold at the end of the year on Amazon.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby mh013 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:19 pm

Does UVA subscribe to CALI lessons?
Or do we have to buy them on our own if we want them?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:24 pm

mh013 wrote:Does UVA subscribe to CALI lessons?
Or do we have to buy them on our own if we want them?


They're free but I've never found them helpful

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 005618502 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:35 pm

5ky wrote:
mh013 wrote:Does UVA subscribe to CALI lessons?
Or do we have to buy them on our own if we want them?


They're free but I've never found them helpful


same

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 pm

Also, if you are actively makings inquiries about CALI lessons 6 months before orientation, I beg you to relax and not think about law school for a good long while. There's absolutely nothing you need to be doing right now other than securing housing.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Yardbird » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:39 am

digifly wrote:Which Kindle? And what's available?
I'm using the newest basic one, the Paperwhite. So far I've seen the following books available for kindle:

- All E&E's save Torts (which is available in epub format from Aspen and can be converted using Calibre)
- Chirelstein's Concepts & Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
- Dressler's Understanding Criminal Law
- The Glannon Guide's to CivPro/Proprty
- Chemerinsky's Constitutional Law
- All CrunchTime/Emanuel's Outlines
- All Siegel's Q&A books

Abraham's Torts is not in any ebook format so that's the only supplement I honestly might buy a hard copy of (I have not purchased any of these nor do I plan to until August). They're updated with the print editions (hence why I'm waiting to buy, especially for CivPro/ConLaw where the newest edition is recommended). They are also sometimes significantly cheaper than the hardcover/paperback version. They also all contain REAL page numbers in addition to the kindle locations (so if you cross reference with a friend or something you can talk about the same passage easily). Just food for thought. I am still definitely getting print (looseleaf) version of the casebooks since I might prefer to write in them.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 005618502 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:23 am

shadowofjazz wrote:
digifly wrote:Which Kindle? And what's available?
I'm using the newest basic one, the Paperwhite. So far I've seen the following books available for kindle:

- All E&E's save Torts (which is available in epub format from Aspen and can be converted using Calibre)
- Chirelstein's Concepts & Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
- Dressler's Understanding Criminal Law
- The Glannon Guide's to CivPro/Proprty
- Chemerinsky's Constitutional Law
- All CrunchTime/Emanuel's Outlines
- All Siegel's Q&A books

Abraham's Torts is not in any ebook format so that's the only supplement I honestly might buy a hard copy of (I have not purchased any of these nor do I plan to until August). They're updated with the print editions (hence why I'm waiting to buy, especially for CivPro/ConLaw where the newest edition is recommended). They are also sometimes significantly cheaper than the hardcover/paperback version. They also all contain REAL page numbers in addition to the kindle locations (so if you cross reference with a friend or something you can talk about the same passage easily). Just food for thought. I am still definitely getting print (looseleaf) version of the casebooks since I might prefer to write in them.


It is, without a doubt, a mistake to buy electronic supplements when you can get them so reasonably used.

1) you wont use them as much as you think
2) you will not want to stare at a computer screen or any electronic screen for longer than you have to, trust me, it wears on your eyes.

I, as well as many others, will be looking to sell our supplements, which I think will be cheaper and more effective. Ultimately it is your call though, just trying to give a heads up

EDIT: I know the paperwhite one is not bad, the downside there is not being able to take a couple notes on the pages, underline/highlight important issues, etc.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Yardbird » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:25 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
shadowofjazz wrote:
digifly wrote:Which Kindle? And what's available?
I'm using the newest basic one, the Paperwhite. So far I've seen the following books available for kindle:

- All E&E's save Torts (which is available in epub format from Aspen and can be converted using Calibre)
- Chirelstein's Concepts & Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
- Dressler's Understanding Criminal Law
- The Glannon Guide's to CivPro/Proprty
- Chemerinsky's Constitutional Law
- All CrunchTime/Emanuel's Outlines
- All Siegel's Q&A books

Abraham's Torts is not in any ebook format so that's the only supplement I honestly might buy a hard copy of (I have not purchased any of these nor do I plan to until August). They're updated with the print editions (hence why I'm waiting to buy, especially for CivPro/ConLaw where the newest edition is recommended). They are also sometimes significantly cheaper than the hardcover/paperback version. They also all contain REAL page numbers in addition to the kindle locations (so if you cross reference with a friend or something you can talk about the same passage easily). Just food for thought. I am still definitely getting print (looseleaf) version of the casebooks since I might prefer to write in them.


It is, without a doubt, a mistake to buy electronic supplements when you can get them so reasonably used.

1) you wont use them as much as you think
2) you will not want to stare at a computer screen or any electronic screen for longer than you have to, trust me, it wears on your eyes.

I, as well as many others, will be looking to sell our supplements, which I think will be cheaper and more effective. Ultimately it is your call though, just trying to give a heads up

EDIT: I know the paperwhite one is not bad, the downside there is not being able to take a couple notes on the pages, underline/highlight important issues, etc.
The paperwhite is indeed easy on the eyes. I get what you're saying but I'm likely going to be travelling frequently to visit my girlfriend in MA so portability is important for me. Also, notetaking/highlighting is good on the paperwhite (much easier than the previous kindles).

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby envisciguy » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:28 pm

shadowofjazz wrote:
digifly wrote:Which Kindle? And what's available?
I'm using the newest basic one, the Paperwhite. So far I've seen the following books available for kindle:

- All E&E's save Torts (which is available in epub format from Aspen and can be converted using Calibre)
- Chirelstein's Concepts & Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
- Dressler's Understanding Criminal Law
- The Glannon Guide's to CivPro/Proprty
- Chemerinsky's Constitutional Law
- All CrunchTime/Emanuel's Outlines
- All Siegel's Q&A books

Abraham's Torts is not in any ebook format so that's the only supplement I honestly might buy a hard copy of (I have not purchased any of these nor do I plan to until August). They're updated with the print editions (hence why I'm waiting to buy, especially for CivPro/ConLaw where the newest edition is recommended). They are also sometimes significantly cheaper than the hardcover/paperback version. They also all contain REAL page numbers in addition to the kindle locations (so if you cross reference with a friend or something you can talk about the same passage easily). Just food for thought. I am still definitely getting print (looseleaf) version of the casebooks since I might prefer to write in them.


Abraham's torts book is a fairly small and lightweight book, so it's not really a problem carrying it around. If you actually have Abraham as your torts professor, that's the only supplement you'll need. I don't know how helpful it is for other torts professors though. Your concern with unbinding books shouldn't be a big issue either - with lockers you'll never need to carry more than one or maybe two casebooks at a time. Professors also like to jump around a lot in the books, so it makes most sense to have the whole book with you.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby anon sequitur » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:30 pm

Anyone know if Coughlin cares about attendance? I've been missing class a lot lately. She's got recordings, so it's hard to motivate myself to go when I feel like I get as much or more out of the recordings as class.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby thesealocust » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:33 pm

anon sequitur wrote:Anyone know if Coughlin cares about attendance? I've been missing class a lot lately. She's got recordings, so it's hard to motivate myself to go when I feel like I get as much or more out of the recordings as class.


She's neither on the list of profs I know who care/get worked up or on the list who could care less. I attended basically all of her classes just because she's so sincere and wonderful I would have felt bad skipping, but your mileage may vary :lol:

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:38 pm

I also think it's not really worth it to buy a shitload of books on the Kindle.

1. You can get them cheap used at PILA or online.
2. You can check most of them out at the library for free for a few hours.
3. You don't sit down and "read" those kind of books. It's more of a, flip to the index, find what you're looking for, read the relevant paragraph, study some more, flip back to the index, find a new topic, flip there and read the relevant page/pages, etc.
4. Supplements aren't really even necessary until the end of the semester --if at all --, when you're outlining/studying. You aren't going to need them when you're visting your gf in Sept/Oct/early November

But there's no right or wrong way to law school.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Br3v » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:06 pm

Do you get Redskins/Nats games broadcasted locally on radio and or TV?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby jkpolk » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:34 pm

Br3v wrote:Do you get Redskins/Nats games broadcasted locally on radio and or TV?


Both are on local radio. Skins are always the local FOX game unless they have a Sunday Night/Monday Night/Thursday Night. Nats are on MASN or MASN2 (depends on if Baltimore is playing)

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby anon sequitur » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:39 pm


Do they have a driving range? Know of any others? Is highlands park the closest? That's all that came up on google.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby scifiguy » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:52 pm

Are law school grades publicly known by everyone?

How do you know what your class rank is and do people know each other's ranks/grades? I think in the movie The Firm with Tom Cruise that the main character looks at some list on teh wall and sees his name on it at the top. Anything like that posted?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 005618502 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:01 pm

scifiguy wrote:Are law school grades publicly known by everyone?

How do you know what your class rank is and do people know each other's ranks/grades? I think in the movie The Firm with Tom Cruise that the main character looks at some list on teh wall and sees his name on it at the top. Anything like that posted?


lol no

no one has to ever know your grades if you dont want.

There are general estimates about rank based on past grade distributions, etc. But UVA doesnt "rank" really.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby anon sequitur » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:12 pm

scifiguy wrote:Are law school grades publicly known by everyone?

How do you know what your class rank is and do people know each other's ranks/grades? I think in the movie The Firm with Tom Cruise that the main character looks at some list on teh wall and sees his name on it at the top. Anything like that posted?


From what I've read this used to be the norm at all law schools but was phased out 20-30 years ago. Law school was apparently much more miserable back in the day. Well, if you don't take into account the much better job prospects and drastically lower debt they had.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:18 pm

anon sequitur wrote:

Do they have a driving range? Know of any others? Is highlands park the closest? That's all that came up on google.


They do. Meadowcreek is also in Charlottesville and is pretty close. It's not quite as nice, and their driving range is not as nice as Birdwood.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:19 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
scifiguy wrote:Are law school grades publicly known by everyone?

How do you know what your class rank is and do people know each other's ranks/grades? I think in the movie The Firm with Tom Cruise that the main character looks at some list on teh wall and sees his name on it at the top. Anything like that posted?


lol no

no one has to ever know your grades if you dont want.

There are general estimates about rank based on past grade distributions, etc. But UVA doesnt "rank" really.


UVA ranks, but just doesn't tell anybody what your rank is. The people at the very top can often find out their rank by sweet talking members of Career services.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Br3v » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:23 pm

Thanks for the sports info Polk.

So, in regards to the kindle debate above, are some of you other 0L's already looking at what supplements and textbooks to buy? How would you even know which ones to get?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby digifly » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:34 pm

Br3v wrote:Thanks for the sports info Polk.

So, in regards to the kindle debate above, are some of you other 0L's already looking at what supplements and textbooks to buy? How would you even know which ones to get?


I have no clue what to buy. A 3L sent some advice, but he emphasized not getting anything until school starts.

On another note, I've submitted my deposit and am about to withdraw my apps at every other school to which I've been admitted. Before I do, is there any reason I shouldn't?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Heat » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:44 pm

Br3v wrote:Thanks for the sports info Polk.

So, in regards to the kindle debate above, are some of you other 0L's already looking at what supplements and textbooks to buy? How would you even know which ones to get?


There is differing advice on this. I would say the majority of people will recommend not reading anything/reading Getting to Maybe if you really need it to feel better.

Honestly, you'll have time as a 1L to read supplements if you want them. The supplements will make more sense because you'll have learned things in class, they will be better targeted because you'll know what you've covered, and you can ask your Professor which supplements they prefer. Reading them before may give you a better general understanding for things like cold-calls (which in virtually every class could not matter less) but to be effective for the exam (which is all that matters) there is a good chance you'll need to reread much of them.

As far as textbooks you won't know until you get a section assignment. This happens like a week before orientation if I remember correctly.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Yardbird » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:51 pm

Heat wrote:
Br3v wrote:Thanks for the sports info Polk.

So, in regards to the kindle debate above, are some of you other 0L's already looking at what supplements and textbooks to buy? How would you even know which ones to get?


There is differing advice on this. I would say the majority of people will recommend not reading anything/reading Getting to Maybe if you really need it to feel better.

Honestly, you'll have time as a 1L to read supplements if you want them. The supplements will make more sense because you'll have learned things in class, they will be better targeted because you'll know what you've covered, and you can ask your Professor which supplements they prefer. Reading them before may give you a better general understanding for things like cold-calls (which in virtually every class could not matter less) but to be effective for the exam (which is all that matters) there is a good chance you'll need to reread much of them.

As far as textbooks you won't know until you get a section assignment. This happens like a week before orientation if I remember correctly.
I specifically have compiled the list from a few posts ago from reading this thread (almost all UVA students seem to recommend those). I'm waiting to buy them to see if I need them/new editions as needed. I'm not planning on any 0L prep other than GTM and Law School Confidential (has an excellent chapter on things you should do when you're getting settled (bringing copies of your diplomas, transcripts, passport, etc))




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