UVA Law Students Taking Questions

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby paulinaporizkova » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:53 pm

about 19

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Morgan12Oak » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:26 pm

19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby vamedic03 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:02 pm

New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:57 pm

vamedic03 wrote:New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm


Wow, I'm really glad they did that. Also surprising is that even pre-ITE, so many students from UVA went to non-DC/NY/CA/TX/VA markets.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby desertlaw » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:14 am

70-85% either in firms or clerkships for c/o 2008-2010? That seems pretty impressive.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 005618502 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:37 am

Morgan12Oak wrote:19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-


Can you safely say this without knowing the content?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby jawsthegreat » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:55 am

AssumptionRequired wrote:
Morgan12Oak wrote:19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-


Can you safely say this without knowing the content?


Unless you were strongly off on what you are writing, which normally isn't the case. I'd agree with this. Knowing his distribution and the way he grades once you get around 20 pages its almost impossible to be belowe B+.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby jawsthegreat » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:58 am

ihhwap1 wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

Wow did they just put this up today? I just saw the ATL article about Chicago's new stats this morning.


Doesn't paint a terrible picture, tbh. Class of 2010 did better than I expected.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby FloridaCoastalorbust » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:19 am

About 38% ended up in firms 500+. I'll take it

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:29 am

AssumptionRequired wrote:
Morgan12Oak wrote:19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-


Can you safely say this without knowing the content?


so, you don't even go here yet and we're talking about one professor that 2 out of 12 sections have

chill out dude

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby bertstare » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:58 pm

paulinaporizkova wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
Morgan12Oak wrote:19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-


Can you safely say this without knowing the content?


so, you don't even go here yet and we're talking about one professor that 2 out of 12 sections have

chill out dude


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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby sundance95 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:24 pm

^ Hahaha...he's baaaaaaaaack

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby BruceWayne » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:28 pm

Going back to the Chicago thing, from what I've seen if someone has good grades and Chicago ties UVA doesn't seem to have a problem sending people there at all. In fact, if you don't have ties but have good grades I still think you have a good shot at places like Kirkland and Sidley. Chicago seems to be one of those "barely a secondary market" markets (I'd put LA and maybe even Atlanta in that category as well if you are talking about the largest Atlanta firms). What I mean by barely secondary is that the larger firms there seem to be more concerned with you having great grades than super strong ties, and that they understand why someone who isn't from the area would want to move there. If you have a 3.6 you probably have a shot at Kirkland even without Chicago ties if you can sell yourself well.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby BruceWayne » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:31 pm

5ky wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm


Wow, I'm really glad they did that. Also surprising is that even pre-ITE, so many students from UVA went to non-DC/NY/CA/TX/VA markets.


I've been telling people for ages that that's our strength. We do fine in the major markets, but we really shine in the South, we're the closest thing to HYS there.


paulinaporizkova wrote:about 19


Wow congrats on a great first semester of law school.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:24 pm

sarcasm?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Morgan12Oak » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:44 pm

Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:56 pm

good to hear, but I still fully expect to get sodomized Lawrence v. Texas style in Bonnie's crim final on Monday, so we're not out of the woods yet. fml

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby billyez » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:36 pm

I would have liked it if they had a mean representation for the salaries as well like Chicago does - and I wish we could know the response rate for public service folks in '08 and '09. But honestly, those are minor points. They even put up the number of folks in the fellowship program. Kudos to the law school for doing this.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby thesealocust » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:42 pm

Morgan12Oak wrote:Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.


I think this gets really overhyped in the TLS echo chamber. I actually dug up a (small scale) study that a professor did once of his own students, and his results were that short answers were weakly correlated with poorer performance, but that after a certain (moderate, at or under the average length for the entire class) length there wasn't any correlation between exam length and grade. I know tons of people who have done great writing concise, short exams and tons of people who have had epicly long exams get Bs/B+s.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Gecko of Doom » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:05 pm

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:12 pm

Gecko of Doom wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
Morgan12Oak wrote:Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.


I think this gets really overhyped in the TLS echo chamber. I actually dug up a (small scale) study that a professor did once of his own students, and his results were that short answers were weakly correlated with poorer performance, but that after a certain (moderate, at or under the average length for the entire class) length there wasn't any correlation between exam length and grade. I know tons of people who have done great writing concise, short exams and tons of people who have had epicly long exams get Bs/B+s.

I really hope this is true. My Torts exam was ~3,000 words...


You should absolutely come back and shove it in my face if you get an A/A-, but I think that ~9 pages for what I'm guessing is a 3.5 hour Torts exam is probably too short.

This is on the assumption that your professor did not come out and tell you that a proper exam would be under 10 pages. Mahoney does that for Contracts, and indeed a 7-8 page exam can get an A. But I think that's a special circumstance.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby johansantana21 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:24 pm

5ky wrote:
Gecko of Doom wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
Morgan12Oak wrote:Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.


I think this gets really overhyped in the TLS echo chamber. I actually dug up a (small scale) study that a professor did once of his own students, and his results were that short answers were weakly correlated with poorer performance, but that after a certain (moderate, at or under the average length for the entire class) length there wasn't any correlation between exam length and grade. I know tons of people who have done great writing concise, short exams and tons of people who have had epicly long exams get Bs/B+s.

I really hope this is true. My Torts exam was ~3,000 words...


You should absolutely come back and shove it in my face if you get an A/A-, but I think that ~9 pages for what I'm guessing is a 3.5 hour Torts exam is probably too short.

This is on the assumption that your professor did not come out and tell you that a proper exam would be under 10 pages. Mahoney does that for Contracts, and indeed a 7-8 page exam can get an A. But I think that's a special circumstance.


How many words = a page on exam4?

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby 5ky » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:29 pm

Roughly 325-350 or so, with 1 inch margins. I opened up my Torts exam from last year, did a word count of the first 9 pages, and it was about 3k.

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Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions

Postby Gecko of Doom » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:37 pm

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