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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby 5ky » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:40 pm

vamedic03 wrote:
5ky wrote:
Morgan12Oak wrote:I wouldn't worry about your J-term grade. It will likely not affect your GPA at all even if you score significantly below what you expect. Ex: if you are a B+ student and somehow score a B- in a 1 credit course it'll lower your GPA from a 3.3 to a 3.28. So even in the unlikely scenario where you are 2 grade deviations below your median, you're looking at a .02 difference so even with significant variation I would suspect that it is immaterial.

In all likelihood, you'd be looking at a .01-.02 variation which is probably as material as whether or not you clear your throat in an OGI interview or not.


I agree with this pretty much, any change is going to be minimal. Even at the extremes (say a 3.7 GPA and getting a B-) still only drops you .036. Having a B/B- on the transcript, even if it doesn't materially lower your GPA, might not be optimal, but it's not going to really impact things.


Don't take a J-Term as a 1L. You won't have all your grades back by then. Some of you will be at or near the top of your class and a GPA drop from getting a B+ could be harmful (i.e., could make the difference at the end of 1L year between grading on to law review).


Unless you're #25, and the B+ drops you to #26/27, it's just not going to make much difference.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby Gerry B » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:06 pm

There is really no good justification to take a J-term as a 1L. Most of the classes are offered every year and J-terms are usually guaranteed B+s. Vamedic is right. No one knows where they might stand by the time they sign up for J-term classes so any 1L could just as easily by #25 or #40. And even if you think you might be at the top of your class, a drop from the B+ will ruin your standing in the class which affects clerkships down the line. Overall, there really is no benefit to taking the risk and getting the B+.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:11 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
jawsthegreat wrote:
5ky wrote:1Ls have an exam on Monday and then their last one on Wednesday? That's a rough turnaround.


Yea, Monday-Thursday-Monday-Wednesday is a lot shittier than our Monday-Thursday-Monday-Thursday last year.

Though, they do get two weeks after thanksgiving to our one last year.


You guys get two weeks after thanksgiving?!?!

yep

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby RVP11 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:10 pm

Gerry B wrote:There is really no good justification to take a J-term as a 1L. Most of the classes are offered every year and J-terms are usually guaranteed B+s. Vamedic is right. No one knows where they might stand by the time they sign up for J-term classes so any 1L could just as easily by #25 or #40. And even if you think you might be at the top of your class, a drop from the B+ will ruin your standing in the class which affects clerkships down the line. Overall, there really is no benefit to taking the risk and getting the B+.


Technically (well, theoretically, at least) any given person is equally likely to be helped or hurt by a B+. Of course you can't know whether you'll be #25 and be knocked out of LR rankings by a J-Term B+. But there's an equal chance that B+ could be the difference between a 3.20 and a 3.17.

And LOL at #26 being a bad thing vis a vis #25. Many would argue that it is the best class ranking. It's a virtually guaranteed offer at a top firm, in your choice of city, without having to do LR.

The better reason for not doing J-Term as a 1L is that your winter break will only be ~3 weeks long, and during 1L you should take the time to recharge your batteries.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby BruceWayne » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:34 pm

As someone mentioned, J-term is a good chance at getting a B+--meaning it's a GREAT idea for a 1L. The likelihood that your GPA will be so high that a 3.3 grade will hurt you is small enough for you not to worry about it. Only about 20 percent of the class; i.e 80 people, get grades that high. If you're below that, a B+ is an EXCELLENT grade and you will be very excited at the opportunity to get one. And as a 1L that can be VERY helpful.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby Morgan12Oak » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:44 pm

I think all of these suggestions are theoretically correct, but I think the underlying idea is really that the 1 credit B+ will not affect your grades materially either way. To say that getting a B+ might knock your GPA down materially or raise your GPA and that you'd be ecstatic about it seems unlikely.

It really comes down to do you want to be here for one week earlier than you have to / is the J-term class interesting to you

Those questions are much more impactful towards whether you should take a J-term class rather than worrying about it bumping you down or your desire and strong chance to get that B+ as a 1L

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby 5ky » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:27 pm

BruceWayne wrote:As someone mentioned, J-term is a good chance at getting a B+--meaning it's a GREAT idea for a 1L. The likelihood that your GPA will be so high that a 3.3 grade will hurt you is small enough for you not to worry about it. Only about 20 percent of the class; i.e 80 people, get grades that high. If you're below that, a B+ is an EXCELLENT grade and you will be very excited at the opportunity to get one. And as a 1L that can be VERY helpful.


Don't agree with you very often, but I do here. I don't think a B+ would be that helpful to a below-median student (being 1 credit and all), but I feel like it'd be more helpful for them than harmful for someone that ends up with a 3.69 instead of a 3.7.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby dailygrind » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:04 pm

I'm with this dude:

RVP11 wrote:The better reason for not doing J-Term as a 1L is that your winter break will only be ~3 weeks long, and during 1L you should take the time to recharge your batteries.


Alternatively, you could try out a winter pro bono project to give you more resume points.

The effect of a winter class on your GPA is probably going to be marginal. If I were you I'd only consider it if I needed more credits to graduate (perhaps because I planned to take 12 credits 1L spring and 2L fall), if I was really interested in the subject matter, or if it offered the opportunity to study abroad in Israel.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby billyez » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:08 am

Just my opinion, there's way too much thinking going on in this thread about this. dailygrind has it right. Take it if your interested in the class or want more credits. The focus has been pretty heavy on the negative marginial effect that this could have on your grades, but I also knew stories of folks who had the opposite experience - the marginial effect worked in their favor and bumped them up to another quarter of the class. Felt I had to note that. *shrug*

What it's worth, I took a J-Term. Didn't hurt my grades and didn't mind the lost week because I liked the subject.

And since it was also brought up above, I recommend doing a Pro Bono project over Winter Break - its definitely worth more than a J-Term, especially if you're going the PI route.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby Puttanesca » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:39 am

I'm trying to make plans for spring break, and I know one of the journal tryout weekends is the first weekend of spring break. Of course I would like to take a longer break, but is it better to do the tryout that weekend rather than the weekend in February? I'm thinking that the February weekend would be more of a time crunch since we would have to prepare for classes over the weekend and have Monday morning classes. I would prefer to do the February weekend though if the shorter time period is not going to be a huge disadvantage.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby RVP11 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:43 am

Puttanesca wrote:I'm trying to make plans for spring break, and I know one of the journal tryout weekends is the first weekend of spring break. Of course I would like to take a longer break, but is it better to do the tryout that weekend rather than the weekend in February? I'm thinking that the February weekend would be more of a time crunch since we would have to prepare for classes over the weekend and have Monday morning classes. I would prefer to do the February weekend though if the shorter time period is not going to be a huge disadvantage.


If you're not totally devoted to Feb Club, do the February weekend and enjoy your longer spring break. Get ahead on your reading before that weekend, or just don't do it; it's a long time from exams so it's not a huge sacrifice.

This is all assuming you have sufficient incentive to pour your time into the journal tryout. Obviously, if you have 3.9+ after fall semester, or if you know you're merely an average or below-average writer, it makes a lot less sense to devote an entire weekend to something that has <1% chance of mattering.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:50 am

5ky wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:As someone mentioned, J-term is a good chance at getting a B+--meaning it's a GREAT idea for a 1L. The likelihood that your GPA will be so high that a 3.3 grade will hurt you is small enough for you not to worry about it. Only about 20 percent of the class; i.e 80 people, get grades that high. If you're below that, a B+ is an EXCELLENT grade and you will be very excited at the opportunity to get one. And as a 1L that can be VERY helpful.


Don't agree with you very often, but I do here. I don't think a B+ would be that helpful to a below-median student (being 1 credit and all), but I feel like it'd be more helpful for them than harmful for someone that ends up with a 3.69 instead of a 3.7.



EXACTLY. Really J-Term can only end up helping you. If your GPA is in the 2.9-3.1 range getting a B+ during J-Term is going to be VERY helpful. If your GPA is in the 3.6-3.7 range it won't really matter either way.


Going to the journal issue that RVP mentioned. I do think that everyone with a GPA below a 3.8 or whatever it is that guarantees you law review should do journal tryouts. It's absolutely horrible, but when you're applying to secondary market firms it can help a lot. At many non top 14 schools you have to grade on to secondary journal and/or do all sorts of other difficult things to get on. This can come into your favor when you're competing against local schools in secondary markets. I've heard that it doesn't matter much in NYC/DC etc.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby Morgan12Oak » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:20 pm

Journal tryouts is one of the biggest shams at UVA in my opinion. If they run it the same way it was done this year and you already know you aren't close to one of the best 15 writers, just do a complete half-hearted effort and turn it in. You probably won't get on a journal at first, but then the journals will come forward and basically ask you if you want to still be on a journal later when they fix their membership.

There is absolutely no difference in membership and no one will tell you second-chanced on. I would hope they fix this from last year, but I doubt it so this loophole will probably still exist.

I know a few people who did this and are on the same journals as me and my other peers who put forth a ton of effort.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby 5ky » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:24 pm

Journal tryouts are just a horrible experience all-around.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby RVP11 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:15 pm

Morgan12Oak wrote:Journal tryouts is one of the biggest shams at UVA in my opinion. If they run it the same way it was done this year and you already know you aren't close to one of the best 15 writers, just do a complete half-hearted effort and turn it in. You probably won't get on a journal at first, but then the journals will come forward and basically ask you if you want to still be on a journal later when they fix their membership.

There is absolutely no difference in membership and no one will tell you second-chanced on. I would hope they fix this from last year, but I doubt it so this loophole will probably still exist.

I know a few people who did this and are on the same journals as me and my other peers who put forth a ton of effort.


But if you put in a half-hearted effort, you might miss out on one of the prestigious secondary journals, like VJIL.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby sundance95 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:17 pm

I heard VJIL works their captives members to the point of death and despair. True or false?

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby RVP11 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:18 pm

sundance95 wrote:I heard VJIL works their captives members to the point of death and despair. True or false?


True, but I hear it's worth the big bump at OGI.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby Morgan12Oak » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:20 pm

Yeah and it was really worth going to that game today too.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby jediknight2424 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:38 am

Just got into UVA early decision!

I'm really interested in getting a one-bedroom apartment close to the law school. How hard is it to get a 1-br at the Jeffersonian if I submit my application on the first day?

Audi

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby Doritos » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:55 am

jediknight2424 wrote:Just got into UVA early decision!

I'm really interested in getting a one-bedroom apartment close to the law school. How hard is it to get a 1-br at the Jeffersonian if I submit my application on the first day?

Audi


Submit it at midnight and you should be good. Congrats.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby FloridaCoastalorbust » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:19 am

Looks like I won't be able to head out to C'ville till ASW in late March. Will a significant chunk of housing on Arlington be eaten up?

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby joemoviebuff » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:46 pm

FloridaCoastalorbust wrote:Looks like I won't be able to head out to C'ville till ASW in late March. Will a significant chunk of housing on Arlington be eaten up?


Sure, but not so much that you won't find something on Arlington. You won't get the Jeffersonian though if you wait that long.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby desertlaw » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:36 am

The best students live at Barracks Court.

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:17 pm

desertlaw wrote:The best students live at Barracks Court.


Where is this? Havent heard of it?

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Re: UVA 2L taking questions

Postby Doritos » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:40 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
desertlaw wrote:The best students live at Barracks Court.


Where is this? Havent heard of it?


It's a little known secret called Hessian Hills. Spacious rooms, friendly folks, and frequent (loud) trash removal very early in the morning. The neighbors are great too. A few are most likely drug dealers of some kind, and one has no less than 20 pets in their apartment. It's located on Barracks Road right pass the overpass. It's a very convenient walk to the school. Just cut through the woods and walk past the sometimes hobo encampment BAM you are in the softball fields.

There's a 7/11 just down the road with truly delectable hot dogs that they cook on those roller things. You can also get top-notch wine for like $5. My kind of party.




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