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Kohinoor wrote: Wait, were you upset about the shirts or the truth?

mostly the shirts. the fact that it was reflecting poorly on the school instead of the economy. the fact that something was done by current students for prospective students to make the latter feel uncomfortable. i dunno, maybe it's just my midwestern sensibilities that didn't appreciate that sort of thing, especially when i already know it's true. i do the research myself, i know things aren't great right now for job prospects, i don't have to be blindsided with it in this way.
/rant

arism87 wrote:
I mean, I did think it came across as kind of mean-spirited and bitter (which is probably exactly how I will feel if I end up in that position) which just kind of a damper on a great day. We all know it's a real possibility (I hope) and if I had asked one of them about job prospects I would appreciate the truth, but yeah, shirts.. meh.

also, this. hi ari

YCrevolution wrote: Also, there's blatant in-state-ism with the $40k figure. Out-of-state, which would be 60% of people (excluding those with scholarship money), runs more than $40k a year.

yeah, they could have really driven their point home by choosing the OOS figures instead. coulda rounded up and said 50k. maybe this explains why they don't have jobs?

paulinaporizkova wrote:

YCrevolution wrote: Also, there's blatant in-state-ism with the $40k figure. Out-of-state, which would be 60% of people (excluding those with scholarship money), runs more than $40k a year.

yeah, they could have really driven their point home by choosing the OOS figures instead. coulda rounded up and said 50k. maybe this explains why they don't have jobs?

Like I said above. Total debt would make more of a point. $48,000. Meh. $226,000 whoa

Any 3L wearing this shirt to try to send a message to 0Ls has to know that the class of 2014 is going to have much better job prospects than the class of 2011. Which makes what they're doing all the more bizarre.

RVP11 wrote:Any 3L wearing this shirt to try to send a message to 0Ls has to know that the class of 2014 is going to have much better job prospects than the class of 2011. Which makes what they're doing all the more bizarre.

yes but we don't know how legal hiring works.

r6_philly wrote:

RVP11 wrote:Any 3L wearing this shirt to try to send a message to 0Ls has to know that the class of 2014 is going to have much better job prospects than the class of 2011. Which makes what they're doing all the more bizarre.

yes but we don't know how legal hiring works.

That remark is slightly incongruous with this one:

Anyway, it's a dead horse, let's leave it be.

Ok I meant let's stop discussing it.

But I can still make fun of you. Not being serious at all. I can go add a smiley if you want.

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Kohinoor wrote: Wait, were you upset about the shirts or the truth?

mostly the shirts. the fact that it was reflecting poorly on the school instead of the economy. the fact that something was done by current students for prospective students to make the latter feel uncomfortable. i dunno, maybe it's just my midwestern sensibilities that didn't appreciate that sort of thing, especially when i already know it's true. i do the research myself, i know things aren't great right now for job prospects, i don't have to be blindsided with it in this way.
/rant

I mean, when the economy was doing well and UVA was posting up 80% in biglaw numbers, nobody said that the school was taking credit for something that was due to the economy. I'm not clear on why, with the economic downturn, placement stats are any less attributable to the school. Could other T14 students sport similar shirts? Most definitely.

Also, have you ever broken into a stranger's house on Christmas Eve, waited until the kids come downstairs the next morning, then run around drunk screaming that you killed Santa Claus? That's how those guys in the shirts felt.

Kohinoor wrote: Also, have you ever broken into a stranger's house on Christmas Eve, waited until the kids come downstairs the next morning, then run around drunk screaming that you killed Santa Claus? That's how those guys in the shirts felt.

...No, and I think that was my point.. lol

Kohinoor wrote:

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Kohinoor wrote: Wait, were you upset about the shirts or the truth?

mostly the shirts. the fact that it was reflecting poorly on the school instead of the economy. the fact that something was done by current students for prospective students to make the latter feel uncomfortable. i dunno, maybe it's just my midwestern sensibilities that didn't appreciate that sort of thing, especially when i already know it's true. i do the research myself, i know things aren't great right now for job prospects, i don't have to be blindsided with it in this way.
/rant

I mean, when the economy was doing well and UVA was posting up 80% in biglaw numbers, nobody said that the school was taking credit for something that was due to the economy. I'm not clear on why, with the economic downturn, placement stats are any less attributable to the school. Could other T14 students sport similar shirts? Most definitely.

But the school WAS taking credit when the economy was better. They were saying, hey, look at our 80% biglaw placement, better than Georgetown's 65% placement (??? i dunno) so come here over going there. That's how they got so many people to apply/want to go. If the school had nothing to do with placement for a good job, I'd go to the school where I got a full scholarship, but that's not the case. Now that the economy tanked, ALL schools are suffering, but here are the UVA people in their shirts, getting all the attention, making it seem (to the uneducated) that they are the only student body suffering.

I also said I was upset by the fact that 3Ls were trying to make 0Ls uncomfortable, and that was my main point.

arism87 wrote:

Kohinoor wrote: Also, have you ever broken into a stranger's house on Christmas Eve, waited until the kids come downstairs the next morning, then run around drunk screaming that you killed Santa Claus? That's how those guys in the shirts felt.

...No, and I think that was my point.. lol

As far as this, in all fairness, you have no idea because you weren't the guys in the shirts. This is also under the assumption that the shirt wearers felt some heavy moral obligation to inform incoming 1Ls of the shitstorm ahead. They could have just been entitled assholes, as Borhas said in another thread (or was it the reverse you were saying? meh, not sure, doesn't really matter)

quakeroats wrote:UVA made ATL again:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/law-stud ... mployment/

How about you stop posting in the UVA 2L taking questions. Last I checked: (1) You're not a UVA 2L and (2) You're not a 0L. SO, you can stay the heck out.

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

^this. UVA's administrators are incredibly hard working and truly care about their students. But, even a hardworking administration can't fix a bad economy.

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

Potentially 3 years with me? That's worth 6 figure debt for sure.

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

what? he's talking about law school in general in that sentence, not uva specifically.

omg wrote:

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

what? he's talking about law school in general in that sentence, not uva specifically.

Well there are other schools that can help minimize debt. We don't know where the balance of debt vs. opportunity should be ITE.

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

Orange is in this season?

omg wrote:

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

what? he's talking about law school in general in that sentence, not uva specifically.

gonna need a clarification from cavalier on this

paulinaporizkova wrote:

omg wrote:

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

what? he's talking about law school in general in that sentence, not uva specifically.

gonna need a clarification from cavalier on this

Really? It's pretty clear from the context that Cavalier was referring to law school in general.

This thread is all hostile, I'm disappointed in UVA

paulinaporizkova wrote:

Cavalier wrote:The shirts are stupid. 3Ls and 2Ls from YHS and down are unemployed. I have no objection with deterring others from attending law school; many people have no idea what they're getting into and will probably be better off not attending. But the problem lies with the economy, not with UVA.

sooo someone tell me why i should come to UVA again?

Because you made decision trees, ran a cost benefit analysis, and like the collegiate atmosphere.

arism87 wrote:This thread is all hostile, I'm disappointed in UVA

As long as you're already down, can I talk to you for a moment about Santa Claus?

Kohinoor wrote:

arism87 wrote:This thread is all hostile, I'm disappointed in UVA

As long as you're already down, can I talk to you for a moment about Santa Claus?

haaaa