Penn Students Taking Questions

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petitprince
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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby petitprince » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:11 pm

Hi there!
I am not quite sure how this thread works - would it be not welcome to ask for PS advice/review here?
I am aiming for 2017 entry and currently working through my applications. Would really appreciate if someone can offer some advice on my PS/other materials, or is willing to have a chat when I visit the school in early October - please write me a private message!

Thanks a ton, :)

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby eternalrest » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:25 am

Iustis wrote:Can anyone speak to roughly what GPA (I assume it changes every year) is required for the Barenkopf Scholarship? Or at least how much it is for? The description on the site is pretty useless.

I'm trying to find motivation to put effort into this year and if a good chunk of money is in reach that will do it.



I know someone who had two A+, one A-, and the rest As, and still didn't get it.

More importantly, if you are the type of person who needs to find motivation by asking this question, you most likely are already out of the running.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Iustis » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:58 pm

eternalrest wrote:
Iustis wrote:Can anyone speak to roughly what GPA (I assume it changes every year) is required for the Barenkopf Scholarship? Or at least how much it is for? The description on the site is pretty useless.

I'm trying to find motivation to put effort into this year and if a good chunk of money is in reach that will do it.



I know someone who had two A+, one A-, and the rest As, and still didn't get it.

More importantly, if you are the type of person who needs to find motivation by asking this question, you most likely are already out of the running.


Thanks for this, I am admittedly pretty lazy and not that motivated about law school but coming out of 1L have same as above, 1 A+, 1 A- and rest As. I guess I'll have to push for a few more A+'s to have a chance based on your anecdote.

I'm guessing you have no idea about the cash value of it? I suppose I could just email Fin Aid but it seems a little arrogant.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby eternalrest » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:40 pm

Iustis wrote:
eternalrest wrote:
Iustis wrote:Can anyone speak to roughly what GPA (I assume it changes every year) is required for the Barenkopf Scholarship? Or at least how much it is for? The description on the site is pretty useless.

I'm trying to find motivation to put effort into this year and if a good chunk of money is in reach that will do it.



I know someone who had two A+, one A-, and the rest As, and still didn't get it.

More importantly, if you are the type of person who needs to find motivation by asking this question, you most likely are already out of the running.


Thanks for this, I am admittedly pretty lazy and not that motivated about law school but coming out of 1L have same as above, 1 A+, 1 A- and rest As. I guess I'll have to push for a few more A+'s to have a chance based on your anecdote.

I'm guessing you have no idea about the cash value of it? I suppose I could just email Fin Aid but it seems a little arrogant.


I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that it was a full ride for 3L.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:48 pm

So its been ... many years (7?) since I started this thread. It feels like forever since my time at Penn, but I'm still around every so often reading the tea leaves on how people feel about law school and Penn and life in general. I'm not so useful on advice about applications or law school, but if anyone has questions about life after school, aka when adulthood come crashing down on you, I'm still around and happy to give advice.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby pipipipi » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:50 pm

Georgiana wrote:So its been ... many years (7?) since I started this thread. It feels like forever since my time at Penn, but I'm still around every so often reading the tea leaves on how people feel about law school and Penn and life in general. I'm not so useful on advice about applications or law school, but if anyone has questions about life after school, aka when adulthood come crashing down on you, I'm still around and happy to give advice.


I just want to say thank you. Thank you for doing this.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby UpandDown97 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:13 pm

call-me-bubbles wrote:Can anyone speak to Penn's strength (or weakness) in any/all things "international law"-related? I'm leaving that intentionally vague, because I'm interested in international law in general, immigration law, children's rights, treaties, and sovereigns in particular. I know Penn has a reputation for being business- and Big Law-oriented, not so much PI, etc., but I don't really have a sense of how they fare/are perceived in terms of helping students launch international careers. I'm looking to work in the US for a couple years after graduating and then permanently relocate to Europe, where my spouse is from.


To be sure, are you asking about international PI, and not big law international/cross-border work?

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby UpandDown97 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:00 pm

call-me-bubbles wrote:
UpandDown97 wrote:
call-me-bubbles wrote:Can anyone speak to Penn's strength (or weakness) in any/all things "international law"-related? I'm leaving that intentionally vague, because I'm interested in international law in general, immigration law, children's rights, treaties, and sovereigns in particular. I know Penn has a reputation for being business- and Big Law-oriented, not so much PI, etc., but I don't really have a sense of how they fare/are perceived in terms of helping students launch international careers. I'm looking to work in the US for a couple years after graduating and then permanently relocate to Europe, where my spouse is from.


To be sure, are you asking about international PI, and not big law international/cross-border work?


Either/both. Like I said, I'm being intentionally vague. I just know that Penn's reputation is more business and Big Law, but I'm wondering how strong they are (or are perceived by current students/alumni) internationally.


In terms of getting into firms that do cross-border transactions, i.e. Magic Circle firms, they do very well. In terms of what you've called international PI, which is really just domestic issues with an international tinge, they do well there too. There's lots of opportunities and funding you can get.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby pointplace » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:46 pm

I have Wax (CivPro), Austin (Torts), Hoffman (Contracts), & Barrett (Legal practice). Any insight would on these professors would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby ymmv » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:52 pm

pointplace wrote:I have Wax (CivPro), Austin (Torts), Hoffman (Contracts), & Barrett (Legal practice). Any insight would on these professors would be greatly appreciated.

Wax is a racist, homophobic, almost comically classist asshole (not to mention a troll - pretty much the worst Penn has to offer) and I would legitimately recommend students request transfers out of her section of that's going to be an issue.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby jlittletree » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:26 pm

Demographically, I'm pretty much everything wrong with America according to Wax (seriously). That being said, I thought she was a phenomenal Civ Pro teacher. For the 1L class, its really about banging a bunch of rules into your head, and she's an excellent lecturer. She didn't bring her political views into the classroom that much, except a couple too many lovey-dovey shoutouts to Scalia (this was a few years ago) and I never felt uncomfortable. There is a sentiment that Civ Pro as a class should be more political (its about who can access the courts) and you could argue that a few cases we covered are decided on legal technicalities that are actually racially motivated, but I'd say Wax is no worse than most professors in ignoring that (see pretty much any criminal law class ever). If you're really interested in those sort of issues, I think you could do well really learning the basics as a 1L then taking an upper level access to justice class. That being said I can't speak to the fallout of the recent hubbub this summer (her op-ed went too far even for me). If she is feeling cornered, or if there is pressure from the administration on her, I don't know how the class will unfold.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby SportsFan » Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:45 pm

I'm a few years out now (c/o 2015) but when I was there I don't remember anyone thinking Wax was a bad person or had extreme viewpoints, just that she was really tough. I didn't have her though so I'm just going off what I heard from people in other sections. And that said, in light of that op-ed, I'd request a transfer to a different section because F that and because hopefully you can get Struve, who is a legitimately amazing professor (and awesome person generally).

I had Austin, and she's super policy oriented. I didn't really like her or her class much but I suppose it wasn't bad, all things considered; overall seemed a relatively 'textbook' class. Just remember to always keep policy in mind, and that she's super pro plaintiff (i.e. if a question is "Can this person sue?" you better argue "Yes, because..." and not "No, because...").




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