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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby WhirledWorld » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:10 am

Nelson wrote:There are tons of LLMs in all of the corps sections usually and it def makes for a softer curve.


Yeah, but I think Fisch's class has the most. Something to do with Friday classes or scheduling. Maybe that was just my year, although when I had Fisch for Sec Reg it was the same deal.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby run26.2 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:03 pm

I had Fisch, and concur with what has been said. If you show up for class, do all the reading, and occasionally answer questions, you'll do pretty well in the class. You really need to go most days, and get notes from the most meticulous note taker for the days you miss, because she may test on a detail that may seem insignificant, or was covered only on one day.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby POTUS2044 » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:06 pm

Professors to avoid if you don't want attendance/being late to affect your grade?

Based off 1L, I know of Robinson and Morse..

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby hangnail » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:34 am

Anyone know how many credits per semester each journal is? Trying to figure out scheduling; spreadsheet says 1-3.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Nelson » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:35 am

hangnail wrote:Anyone know how many credits per semester each journal is? Trying to figure out scheduling; spreadsheet says 1-3.

1 credit for 2Ls. Additional credit for board.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby B.B. Homemaker » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:48 am

Nelson wrote:
hangnail wrote:Anyone know how many credits per semester each journal is? Trying to figure out scheduling; spreadsheet says 1-3.

1 credit for 2Ls. Additional credit for board.

JLASC is worth more credits.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:04 am

B.B. Homemaker wrote:
Nelson wrote:
hangnail wrote:Anyone know how many credits per semester each journal is? Trying to figure out scheduling; spreadsheet says 1-3.

1 credit for 2Ls. Additional credit for board.

JLASC is worth more credits.


Haha are you serious? Does it entail more work?

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Nelson » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:19 am

B.B. Homemaker wrote:
Nelson wrote:
hangnail wrote:Anyone know how many credits per semester each journal is? Trying to figure out scheduling; spreadsheet says 1-3.

1 credit for 2Ls. Additional credit for board.

JLASC is worth more credits.

Only for doing work that's basically board work on other journals.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby ymmv » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:23 am

Nelson wrote:
B.B. Homemaker wrote:
Nelson wrote:
hangnail wrote:Anyone know how many credits per semester each journal is? Trying to figure out scheduling; spreadsheet says 1-3.

1 credit for 2Ls. Additional credit for board.

JLASC is worth more credits.

Only for doing work that's basically board work on other journals.


Karmic retribution for skipping the writing competition?

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby B.B. Homemaker » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:45 am

PennBull wrote:
B.B. Homemaker wrote:
Nelson wrote:
hangnail wrote:Anyone know how many credits per semester each journal is? Trying to figure out scheduling; spreadsheet says 1-3.

1 credit for 2Ls. Additional credit for board.

JLASC is worth more credits.


Haha are you serious? Does it entail more work?

Weekly meetings re: article selection, with the related reading.

Very egalitarian, but I'm good.

ETA: one of jlasc's founders was opposing counsel a few weeks ago, and...just what I expected. I almost felt bad winning.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby tigersaresexy » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:00 am

Hey guys! 0L, I'm heading to my tailor next week to get some nice clothes for when I need to dress well at school...I was wondering what you'd recommend I have in my closet for 1L (not including OCI...I'm planning on buying a nice skirt suit for OCI closer to the date)

I'm assuming day to day classwear is casual, but how often do you need a nice professional outfit (presentations, exams, special talks, meetings etc)?

Here's my list so far

2 Blazers
2 Professional dresses
Couple of nice shirts
Pair of pants
Fitted skirt

Anything I should add or subtract from this?



Bonus questions:

For OCI, one skirt suit or two? Or more?

How does the average Penn Law student dress on the average day? I was talking to a Penn UG who claimed that Penn students dress "way better than people at other schools" in general, and then described that girls wear uggs, leggings and a sweatshirt which seemed pretty unremarkable and standard to me...regardless that conversation got me worked up about my wardrobe so I thought I'd just ask here.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby jumpin munkey » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:24 am

Hey, congrats on getting in. I will defer to anyone who knows something about women's clothing, but that seems fine. Especially if you're planning on getting something in addition before OCI, which is probably wise, you're definitely good. In terms of events that I did throughout 1L where dressing up was required:

1. Orientation dinner
2. 1L summer interviews during winter
3. Firm events at restaurants throughout January and February
4. Mock interviews in March
5. Oral argument for LPS in April

Others may have done more, but you basically have a sprinkling of events throughout the year where you need to look nice.

Re: day-to-day wear, I went to Penn for UG and I'm sure people here on average dress better than people at Michigan State or something because your average student at Penn comes from a relatively well-off family and there's money to spend. But yeah, it was mostly Uggs and Northfaces when I was in college. Law students are all over the map but on average they dress a little better than in college -- 26 isn't 19, and being stuck at school all day makes sweatpants and flip-flops a more unattractive option than when you could wake up for a 9:00 A.M. class and head back to bed for the rest of the day. In short, though: you can wear whatever you want.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby notgreat » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:39 am

Yeah, to echo monkey, 1Ls at Penn don't walk around school in sweats a lot except during finals. But IIRC a lot of the female students wear jeans and sweaters during the year. So nothing too crazy.

I can't speak about what is appropriate for females to wear to business causal or formal events. But what I can say is that there were a number of events that required business causal dress: the fall professionalism day where we networked with Penn alums, firm networking dinners in January/February, maybe the orientation dinner. There were also events that required business dress (suit and tie for men): mock interviews in the spring and oral arguments for LPS.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby B.B. Homemaker » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:23 pm

Even during finals, the sleepwear was pretty minimal.

And for OCI, when you have multiple interviews a day for two weeks straight, extra suits are always in order. I'm scrambling to acquire some now.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby ymmv » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:03 am

Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:07 am

ymmv wrote:Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.


it's fine; makes 3L easy

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Nelson » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:18 am

ymmv wrote:Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.

You'll be fine. 15 is four classes? That's less work than 1L. Journal is not that much work and more importantly there's no grade. I know people who took five classes for 18 (which I do not recommend).

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Nelson » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:19 am

PennBull wrote:
ymmv wrote:Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.


it's fine; makes 3L easy

Also this.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby ymmv » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:20 am

PennBull wrote:
ymmv wrote:Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.


it's fine; makes 3L easy


Cool. Any idea how competitive bids for the Wharton cert are, whether to put it high or low?
I have the maybe mistaken impression that they'll allow an unlimited number of people into that one given how heavily the school has pushed it and the cross-disciplinary thing generally.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby ymmv » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:24 am

Nelson wrote:
ymmv wrote:Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.

You'll be fine. 15 is four classes? That's less work than 1L. Journal is not that much work and more importantly there's no grade. I know people who took five classes for 18 (which I do not recommend).


Ok, thanks. Yeah, that's 4 classes total. Given how much I heard 2Ls complain about journal deadlines I assumed it was a pretty huge time commitment.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:41 pm

ymmv wrote:
Nelson wrote:
ymmv wrote:Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.

You'll be fine. 15 is four classes? That's less work than 1L. Journal is not that much work and more importantly there's no grade. I know people who took five classes for 18 (which I do not recommend).


Ok, thanks. Yeah, that's 4 classes total. Given how much I heard 2Ls complain about journal deadlines I assumed it was a pretty huge time commitment.


They complain because law students can't help talking about how much they HATE LAW SCHOOL

It's super basic easy shit. Put on some music/watch a TV show as you do it, put in minimum effort, get credit

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby OutCold » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:28 pm

PennBull wrote:
ymmv wrote:
Nelson wrote:
ymmv wrote:Deadline day for class registration, and I'm wondering whether my current class bidlist of 14 credits is going to be a bit too much for 2L fall when combined with journal for 15. Did anyone find this manageable/unmanageable, especially when involved with heavy extracurriculars? 3 of the credits would be the Wharton management certificate, which I hear is a cakewalk.

You'll be fine. 15 is four classes? That's less work than 1L. Journal is not that much work and more importantly there's no grade. I know people who took five classes for 18 (which I do not recommend).


Ok, thanks. Yeah, that's 4 classes total. Given how much I heard 2Ls complain about journal deadlines I assumed it was a pretty huge time commitment.


They complain because law students can't help talking about how much they HATE LAW SCHOOL

It's super basic easy shit. Put on some music/watch a TV show as you do it, put in minimum effort, get credit

Law review is time-consuming, just because they are publishing double the issues. Plus the comment. The key there is to write the comment for a seminar in lieu of the final--get those three free credits and a guaranteed A.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:27 pm

Oh law review is a different thing entirely.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby OutCold » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:38 pm

I know you weren't talking about that. He just didn't specify which journal, so I wanted to chime in and say that you might want to take 13 credits in the fall if you do wind up on LR. You really don't become efficient with the edits for a few months when the most common bluebooking rules are ingrained into your brain. Also, you can expect a source hunt or an edit about every seven days. I'm not the quickest learner, and I didn't know shit about the bluebook, so the first half of the fall semester was pretty painful. My only piece of advice is that, if you don't care about the exec board, just coast. You might catch some flak for doing a terrible editing job, but the talk about warnings and things is ridiculous. It sucks that someone else has to clean up your mistakes, but you are going to come realize that (1) they signed up for it and (2) it just isn't worth it to kill yourself over perfection unless you are trying to be one of those people who signed up for it next year.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:40 pm

Yep, with the added caveat if your Exec Ed is your friend and you don't want to be an asshole (my situation)

Otherwise give zero fucks and enjoy 2L




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