Penn Students Taking Questions

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby OutCold » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:49 am

r6_philly wrote:
OutCold wrote:I'm probably among the most detached from school social circles, but even I am friendly with a huge number of people. You'll get to know your 1L section well, your cohort even better, and even more people through journal, pro bono projects, and various other activities, small seminars, etc. You don't have to go to outside events like bar review to make friends at the law school.


That's not what I am talking about. One can make plenty of friends, but one are not warmly welcomed into every circle if one doesn't not appear to fit in.


I wasn't responding to you specifically, just adding my own anecdote. But I agree, that's accurate.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:01 pm

r6_philly wrote:
OutCold wrote:I'm probably among the most detached from school social circles, but even I am friendly with a huge number of people. You'll get to know your 1L section well, your cohort even better, and even more people through journal, pro bono projects, and various other activities, small seminars, etc. You don't have to go to outside events like bar review to make friends at the law school.


That's not what I am talking about. One can make plenty of friends, but one are not warmly welcomed into every circle if one doesn't not appear to fit in.

TBF that's how it works just about anywhere.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:08 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
TBF that's how it works just about anywhere.


Of course. I was simply trying to add a tint of reality to "everyone is VERY friendly."

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:19 pm

r6_philly wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
TBF that's how it works just about anywhere.


Of course. I was simply trying to add a tint of reality to "everyone is VERY friendly."

Ahh. I guess it bears reminding that "collegiality" doesn't override the basic tenets of human nature.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby 5965 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:22 pm

Hi, are many professors, especially those teaching 1L classes, willing to assist their students and to answer students' questions? (I remember some professors in my undergrad who seemed to be bothered to meet students.) Thanks in advance!:)

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby OutCold » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:50 pm

5965 wrote:Hi, are many professors, especially those teaching 1L classes, willing to assist their students and to answer students' questions? (I remember some professors in my undergrad who seemed to be bothered to meet students.) Thanks in advance!:)

Some are more receptive than others. Most will stay a few minutes after to chat in my experience. I believe every 1L professor is required to hold office hours, and that is generally the best time to get questions answered. That or a quick email. All in all, almost all of the professors I've had have been pretty approachable. Some are just really, really busy though.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby SportsFan » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:40 pm

So I was just looking through my emails to delete a bunch from earlier in the semester, and found one about financial aid that said we should submit our FAFSA's by April 1st. Being an idiot (and a busy 1L), I hadn't even given the FAFSA or financial aid for next year much thought, so I just submitted it now. I'm not getting any need-based aid, just loans, so submitting my FAFSA 2 days late isn't going to hurt me, right? :oops:

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Postby Nelson » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:01 am

SportsFan wrote:So I was just looking through my emails to delete a bunch from earlier in the semester, and found one about financial aid that said we should submit our FAFSA's by April 1st. Being an idiot (and a busy 1L), I hadn't even given the FAFSA or financial aid for next year much thought, so I just submitted it now. I'm not getting any need-based aid, just loans, so submitting my FAFSA 2 days late isn't going to hurt me, right? :oops:

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that email since you can't even apply for new GradPlus money until May 1. Penn doesn't even have the GradPlus app unlocked yet. The feds technically give you until June 1 for FAFSA and that's just the recommendation to make sure your loans disburse in time for the fall, so you could actually wait longer than that I think.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby stacy » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:45 pm

3 questions:

1. Is it too late to apply for financial aid? If I am under 30 and my Parents make a high salary is there any reason to even apply?

2. Is there a way to apply for merit aid or it is selected?

3. I got into Penn easily with early decision. I now regret doing early decision as when I look at the numbers I could have had more options. Would anyone suggest I not go to law school this year (I believe that would void my ED agreement) and then reapply for class of 2017? I believe I could get into Harvard if I reapply. (This question makes me sound really dumb, but at the time of application I did not know about TLS, and I just took advice of a mentor who said Penn is an amazing law school.)

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Nelson » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:14 pm

stacy wrote:3 questions:

1. Is it too late to apply for financial aid? If I am under 30 and my Parents make a high salary is there any reason to even apply?

2. Is there a way to apply for merit aid or it is selected?

3. I got into Penn easily with early decision. I now regret doing early decision as when I look at the numbers I could have had more options. Would anyone suggest I not go to law school this year (I believe that would void my ED agreement) and then reapply for class of 2017? I believe I could get into Harvard if I reapply. (This question makes me sound really dumb, but at the time of application I did not know about TLS, and I just took advice of a mentor who said Penn is an amazing law school.)

Hard to say without knowing your numbers but if you have HYS numbers you shouldn't go to Penn without a lot of money. If you break your ED, you're pretty much going to write off Penn.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby wert3813 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:20 pm

Nelson wrote:
stacy wrote:3 questions:

1. Is it too late to apply for financial aid? If I am under 30 and my Parents make a high salary is there any reason to even apply?

2. Is there a way to apply for merit aid or it is selected?

3. I got into Penn easily with early decision. I now regret doing early decision as when I look at the numbers I could have had more options. Would anyone suggest I not go to law school this year (I believe that would void my ED agreement) and then reapply for class of 2017? I believe I could get into Harvard if I reapply. (This question makes me sound really dumb, but at the time of application I did not know about TLS, and I just took advice of a mentor who said Penn is an amazing law school.)

Hard to say without knowing your numbers but if you have HYS numbers you shouldn't go to Penn without a lot of money. If you break your ED, you're pretty much going to write off Penn.


Know that many schools do not allow you to simply break your ED and then apply anywhere next year. They are sometimes binding in the future. Check your agreement carefully. But yes if you could get into Harvard then you should not have ED to Penn where you will be paying close to sticker since there is no incentive to give you a scholarship.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:36 pm

I believe ED is only binding for the current cycle. There was a long discussion about this in years past. But a contract without time constraints doesn't sound very enforceable.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby stacy » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:31 am

r6_philly wrote:I believe ED is only binding for the current cycle. There was a long discussion about this in years past. But a contract without time constraints doesn't sound very enforceable.

It is not the contract that is the problem. Penn informs all other top schools of the ED agreement and all those schools do not even consider you from acceptance.

If you could link to that earlier discussion it'd be greatly appreciated :)

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:50 pm

stacy wrote:
r6_philly wrote:I believe ED is only binding for the current cycle. There was a long discussion about this in years past. But a contract without time constraints doesn't sound very enforceable.

It is not the contract that is the problem. Penn informs all other top schools of the ED agreement and all those schools do not even consider you from acceptance.

If you could link to that earlier discussion it'd be greatly appreciated :)


There really isn't any point in breaking ED unless you have HYS numbers has has been stated above. And I find it hard to believe that you really would have applied ED if you were rocking a 3.8, 174.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:58 pm

Veyron wrote:
stacy wrote:
r6_philly wrote:I believe ED is only binding for the current cycle. There was a long discussion about this in years past. But a contract without time constraints doesn't sound very enforceable.

It is not the contract that is the problem. Penn informs all other top schools of the ED agreement and all those schools do not even consider you from acceptance.

If you could link to that earlier discussion it'd be greatly appreciated :)


There really isn't any point in breaking ED unless you have HYS numbers has has been stated above. And I find it hard to believe that you really would have applied ED if you were rocking a 3.8, 174.


They did say in their original post that they regret EDing.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby SportsFan » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:59 pm

OutCold wrote:
5965 wrote:Hi, are many professors, especially those teaching 1L classes, willing to assist their students and to answer students' questions? (I remember some professors in my undergrad who seemed to be bothered to meet students.) Thanks in advance!:)

Some are more receptive than others. Most will stay a few minutes after to chat in my experience. I believe every 1L professor is required to hold office hours, and that is generally the best time to get questions answered. That or a quick email. All in all, almost all of the professors I've had have been pretty approachable. Some are just really, really busy though.

One of my professors last semester ran out of the room at the end of class every day because he didn't want to stay and answer peoples questions (and sometimes they did manage to catch him and prevent him from leaving anyway!). :lol: Besides that, though, all of my professors have been nice and willing to meet and talk and help.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:18 pm

PennBull wrote:
Veyron wrote:
stacy wrote:
r6_philly wrote:I believe ED is only binding for the current cycle. There was a long discussion about this in years past. But a contract without time constraints doesn't sound very enforceable.

It is not the contract that is the problem. Penn informs all other top schools of the ED agreement and all those schools do not even consider you from acceptance.

If you could link to that earlier discussion it'd be greatly appreciated :)


There really isn't any point in breaking ED unless you have HYS numbers has has been stated above. And I find it hard to believe that you really would have applied ED if you were rocking a 3.8, 174.


They did say in their original post that they regret EDing.


Yah, but a lot of people regret EDing when they get in. A sort of buyers remorse that comes from the thought that things were a little too easy. When you let the whole cycle play out there are no "what-iffs." But that being said, people with true HYS numbers don't ED in the first place, these sound like the regrets of someone with numbers slightly above the medians.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:21 pm

r6_philly wrote:
OutCold wrote:I'm probably among the most detached from school social circles, but even I am friendly with a huge number of people. You'll get to know your 1L section well, your cohort even better, and even more people through journal, pro bono projects, and various other activities, small seminars, etc. You don't have to go to outside events like bar review to make friends at the law school.


That's not what I am talking about. One can make plenty of friends, but one are not warmly welcomed into every circle if one doesn't not appear to fit in.


Maybe not in the sense that you could just call anyone at the school up to hang out but I haven't run into many groups at the law school I wasn't at least happy to have a casual conversation with. This isn't high school, we're all the nerd table.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:27 pm

Veyron wrote:Yah, but a lot of people regret EDing when they get in. A sort of buyers remorse that comes from the thought that things were a little too easy. When you let the whole cycle play out there are no "what-iffs." But that being said, people with true HYS numbers don't ED in the first place, these sound like the regrets of someone with numbers slightly above the medians.


You are really, really underestimating the lack of information and good advice out there haha. I'm not saying a law school applicant shouldn't do more homework on the situation, but it's remarkably easy to not know what the hell you're doing.

That's neither here nor there tho. Regardless of anything, retracting an ED is the topic at hand

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:59 pm

PennBull wrote:
Veyron wrote:Yah, but a lot of people regret EDing when they get in. A sort of buyers remorse that comes from the thought that things were a little too easy. When you let the whole cycle play out there are no "what-iffs." But that being said, people with true HYS numbers don't ED in the first place, these sound like the regrets of someone with numbers slightly above the medians.


You are really, really underestimating the lack of information and good advice out there haha. I'm not saying a law school applicant shouldn't do more homework on the situation, but it's remarkably easy to not know what the hell you're doing.

That's neither here nor there tho. Regardless of anything, retracting an ED is the topic at hand


My understanding, at least the year I applied, was that it was binding for the year. In order to get out of it, you would have to choose not to matriculate anywhere that cycle. The next cycle you would be free to apply wherever (although obviously, the school you bailed on would be out absent extraordinary circumstances).

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Sheffield » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:08 pm

I know a couple splitters who said they likely made it in because of ED. Usually a high GPA accompanied with a precarious LSAT (low-mid 160’s). Then it becomes a guessing game on what LS might be amenable to your situation. Splitters aside, unless you just LOVE the school (without a decent chance for $) ED usually isn't the best option.

Once you sign an ED, you are at the school's mercy.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby r6_philly » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:44 am

Veyron wrote:I haven't run into many groups at the law school I wasn't at least happy to have a casual conversation with.


Can't make the same statement. Not that anyone is rude or anything, but some people lack the interest to have casual conversations depending on who you are. Remember I was just rebutting the "VERY friendly" comment made by someone many quotes ago.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby PennBull » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:59 am

r6_philly wrote:
Veyron wrote:I haven't run into many groups at the law school I wasn't at least happy to have a casual conversation with.


Can't make the same statement. Not that anyone is rude or anything, but some people lack the interest to have casual conversations depending on who you are. Remember I was just rebutting the "VERY friendly" comment made by someone many quotes ago.


Just for sample size purposes, my experience has been much like Veyron's.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby r6_philly » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:08 am

PennBull wrote:Just for sample size purposes, my experience has been much like Veyron's.


I'd venture to guess it depends on who you are.

ETA: I am not the only person who ever expressed this, but I don't want to speak for them.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby HeavenWood » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:43 pm

PennBull wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
Veyron wrote:I haven't run into many groups at the law school I wasn't at least happy to have a casual conversation with.


Can't make the same statement. Not that anyone is rude or anything, but some people lack the interest to have casual conversations depending on who you are. Remember I was just rebutting the "VERY friendly" comment made by someone many quotes ago.


Just for sample size purposes, my experience has been much like Veyron's.

Some people are more cliquish than others, but most are at least outwardly friendly. Obviously you can't be best friends with everyone. But the more important thing, in my view, is that the truly cutthroat, competitive, backstabbing bullshit is at an absolute minimum.




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