Yes... pretty much anywhere. The night guard likes to try to make people leave when she does a walk around at the end of the night, but just say "ok, thanks I'm packing up" and then don't. You can go out the door onto Chestnut after everything is locked up without having to worry that you screwed up some locked door.

Property is a huge part of the bar and personally I think everyone should take it (graduating not knowing what an easement is or what fee simple means would be ridiculous in my opinion). I'm sad Penn is dropping that instead of dropping con law as a required course, but it is what it is. People learn a ton of things for the bar, and learning property too won't make that big of a difference.

Take property. (caveat: you may not LIKE property... results may vary; personally property was one of my favorite classes)

is there any consensus on what LSAT you need to be a good candidate for ED? I have 3.31 but after fall grades come out I could have 3.43

170 minimum, unless URM. http://penn.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

Yeah, 170 minimum, but every extra point helps.. If you're applying ED next cycle, you won't have your fall semester grades included though.

Is there any way I can make sure the Adcom doesn't make a decision before my final grades come out? Would they put me on WL and then reevaluate my file after fall grades or would it be an auto-ding?

I got in rd in your gpa range/170/white, but I also know other people with those numbers that werent so lucky.

Really a 3.3 and a 3.4 wont be that different. Both are below 25%. The key is getting a 170 or higher. Otherwise your odds are pretty slim.

Apply early, you won't get dinged with a 170+. Really probably have a better chance applying early with a 3.3 than regular with a 3.4. LSATs the key though.

What do you think, for me, with a 3.2/176 and ED?

I keep looking around LSN but I'm not really sure.

And @yikes, Penn.

What do you think, for me, with a 3.2/176 and ED?

I keep looking around LSN but I'm not really sure.

Penn for 50k per year or UT for 30k per year. aaaaaand GO!

As you know, splitters are impossible to predict. You're not going to know until you apply.

Is your degree in a hard science?

Well I'm in at NU at sticker. I'm not even sure it's worth taking another year off even if I was sure to get into Penn. I would be EDing, so I would be stuck paying sticker either way. And the other problem with ED at Penn is that it wouldn't give me the option of NU with money for next year.

It's Environmental Science and Management, so 50-50 I guess. My GPA was destroyed by calc and pre-med classes, but it was not otherwise particularly stellar in other subjects (maybe more like a 3.6).

No, that's the thing, I applied mid-Jan. I'm waitlisted at basically Columbia on down right now, got into NU off the WL.

I wasn't sure why you were asking wrt my degree. I took a couple classes that kicked my ass, but I wouldn't normally refer to it as "hard science". It isn't going to do much for me in terms of patent law though.

(and I just got my NU admit packet in the middle of writing this post. Let's see if they can seal the deal... )

I chose Penn over UT for the same price differential. 100000% the correct decision.

Penn + Texas ties is a killer, and I mean killer, combination. Texas firms will dip quite far below median to snag one of their own.

THE COMBINATION LITERALLY KILLS THINGS.

I'd reapply in September if you can manage it. I had a friend do it and got bumps in $$$ to a lot of schools. He also got accepted to Harvard off the WL, but I'm not sure if applying earlier helped that.

Also, the "hard science" thing is rumored to give a slight bump to some GPAs. Schools still largely prefer the raw numbers because of rankings and such. But, if they have to choose somebody between identical GPAs and one kid did engineering while the other did underwater basketweaving, they seem to prefer the engineering kid.

edit: I also was waitlisted everywhere; it was kinda funny because I didn't get rejected anywhere. It's a weird feeling. I feel like Penn chose me, instead of the other way around. Hence my super Penn homerism.

Just trying to work out my ED strategy in september

Everything I see about Penn's I like, while NYU seems to be more questionable. I don't know where the TLS "CCN MVP" thing came from but I really don't see the sense in it unless it's more just a relic of the past or something.

Penn seems to have top notch placement numbers, both in clerkships and biglaw.. only thing that is a little scary at Penn is from this thread:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&start=75
seems that if you miss out on big law at Penn you might be trouble.. whereas below median at some schools, like Michigan (because of their LRAP,) might not be in as much trouble. However NYU hasn't released this data at all, so it's hard to compare the two against each other I think.

Add in the fact that NYU has the crazy COL and in general less scholarship money, is there any good reason to favor NYU over Penn? I'm just legitimately curious if there is a big positive to this T6 school VS a T7 school that I've missed in my reading so far.

Honestly, it was your post in RANT that made me start to rethink all this. I needed a sanity check to make sure I wasn't making a horrible decision with NU at sticker.

I know how you feel. Until my LSAT came back, I wasn't expecting anything other than GULC/Cornell to be in play for me, and I really didn't know very much about any of the schools I applied to. I knew very little about Penn too, but after researching and visiting, it kind of became my top choice,