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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:42 am

beebee18 wrote:I have a question about job prospects...

What happens to students that preform poorly and are at the bottom of their class? Do they get summer jobs and jobs after graduation? What kind of jobs?

In order to answer this I would need to know everyone's grades and honestly, we don't talk about them. Everyone I know worked last summer, even the people who didn't get biglaw and don't have full time offers. They work for smaller firms, judges, state agencies, etc. As far as after graduation, if you're left unemployed its all about how much you hustle and really devote yourself to finding a job, the less effort you put into it the less likely you'll get a job, I think that's pretty obvious. You should probably be doing something in addition to checking symplicity for openings posted by the school.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:56 pm

Georgiana wrote:
Veyron wrote:
TLSNYC wrote:Also, do all 1Ls always take the same four classes in the fall - torts, civ pro, contracts, and property?


Yes.

NO!

At least not my year... Section 1 had Crim instead of Prop.


They must have changed things then, b/c everyone in my section def had T, K, C, P

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:15 pm

Veyron wrote:
Georgiana wrote:
Veyron wrote:
TLSNYC wrote:Also, do all 1Ls always take the same four classes in the fall - torts, civ pro, contracts, and property?


Yes.

NO!

At least not my year... Section 1 had Crim instead of Prop.


They must have changed things then, b/c everyone in my section def had T, K, C, P

It depends on the year/the profs available.

Penn had a problem getting property profs my year which is why we only had 2 prop classes in the fall (both were visiting, neither was hired to come back). I think we've gotten a few more since then... but there's no guarantee that all sections will be the same.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:21 pm

[/quote]
It depends on the year/the profs available.

Penn had a problem getting property profs my year which is why we only had 2 prop classes in the fall (both were visiting, neither was hired to come back). I think we've gotten a few more since then... but there's no guarantee that all sections will be the same.[/quote]

Orly, I didn't know. I think we've "imported" some good ones since then, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:01 pm

Veyron wrote:

It depends on the year/the profs available.

Penn had a problem getting property profs my year which is why we only had 2 prop classes in the fall (both were visiting, neither was hired to come back). I think we've gotten a few more since then... but there's no guarantee that all sections will be the same.[/quote]

Orly, I didn't know. I think we've "imported" some good ones since then, if you know what I mean.[/quote]
lol I DOOOO know what you mean, but I haven't met him.

He wasn't here during my 1L and Wagner was in China/Japan? doing something during our first semester which left us with... no one :) (Parch was also not teaching we lowly 1Ls that year...) So Serkin (from BLS) and Somin (from GMU) were teaching and Wagner taught section 1 in the spring.

FWIW to incoming students... Prop was my favoritest 1L class and I wish I could take it every semester :) If only all classes were property...

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby TLSNYC » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:25 pm

So, as I'm starting to look for more housing options, I kind of have a question about public transportation in Philly.

I've only been there a couple of times and never really had to use public transporation, so please excuse htis question if it's totally stupid: basically, the Septa is like the subway system in Philadelphia correct? It runs along Market and Broad street, right? Then there are also the trolleys -- there are 6 main lines of these and they all run to 30th street which the closest stop to the law school? I was a bit confused about these trolleys -- are they above surface like in Boston, per se?

If all that's correct, just a couple more questions:
1. How late is it generally safe to hop on these things? Post 11 PM? Earlier? Later?
2. How frequently do the trolleys run? I noticed some of the places I'm looking at are only 10 min from the law school if I take the trolley, but I'm wondering if it's 10 minutes of actual travel time PLUS like another 15 minutes of waiting for a trolley to come.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby run26.2 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:25 pm

TLSNYC wrote:So, as I'm starting to look for more housing options, I kind of have a question about public transportation in Philly.

I've only been there a couple of times and never really had to use public transporation, so please excuse htis question if it's totally stupid: basically, the Septa is like the subway system in Philadelphia correct? It runs along Market and Broad street, right? Then there are also the trolleys -- there are 6 main lines of these and they all run to 30th street which the closest stop to the law school? I was a bit confused about these trolleys -- are they above surface like in Boston, per se?

If all that's correct, just a couple more questions:
1. How late is it generally safe to hop on these things? Post 11 PM? Earlier? Later?
2. How frequently do the trolleys run? I noticed some of the places I'm looking at are only 10 min from the law school if I take the trolley, but I'm wondering if it's 10 minutes of actual travel time PLUS like another 15 minutes of waiting for a trolley to come.

SEPTA is the entire transit system, encompassing buses, subway, regional rails, and trolleys. There is 1 other subway line - the Morristown line.

As far as the trolleys go, there is a stop that is on the same block as the law school. It looks like these lines now run 24 hours. During the day, I'd guess the wait is about 3 minutes to get on one of these things because numerous lines run on the same track. They aren't as fast as the subway trains, but they'll get you there quickly, nonetheless. The trolleys run above ground in some areas, buy underground around the law school and center city. I think they are generally safe at night, mainly because there is a SEPTA operator on there. I think they'd call security if something happened. The streets are probably less safe than the trolleys/subway. But as in any city, watch your step.

You can find out more information about the routes and the schedules at http://www.septa.org. It has info on all the modes of public transportation in Philly.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:47 pm

run26.2 wrote:
TLSNYC wrote:So, as I'm starting to look for more housing options, I kind of have a question about public transportation in Philly.

I've only been there a couple of times and never really had to use public transporation, so please excuse htis question if it's totally stupid: basically, the Septa is like the subway system in Philadelphia correct? It runs along Market and Broad street, right? Then there are also the trolleys -- there are 6 main lines of these and they all run to 30th street which the closest stop to the law school? I was a bit confused about these trolleys -- are they above surface like in Boston, per se?

If all that's correct, just a couple more questions:
1. How late is it generally safe to hop on these things? Post 11 PM? Earlier? Later?
2. How frequently do the trolleys run? I noticed some of the places I'm looking at are only 10 min from the law school if I take the trolley, but I'm wondering if it's 10 minutes of actual travel time PLUS like another 15 minutes of waiting for a trolley to come.

SEPTA is the entire transit system, encompassing buses, subway, regional rails, and trolleys. There is 1 other subway line - the Morristown line.

As far as the trolleys go, there is a stop that is on the same block as the law school. It looks like these lines now run 24 hours. During the day, I'd guess the wait is about 3 minutes to get on one of these things because numerous lines run on the same track. They aren't as fast as the subway trains, but they'll get you there quickly, nonetheless. The trolleys run above ground in some areas, buy underground around the law school and center city. I think they are generally safe at night, mainly because there is a SEPTA operator on there. I think they'd call security if something happened. The streets are probably less safe than the trolleys/subway. But as in any city, watch your step.

You can find out more information about the routes and the schedules at http://www.septa.org. It has info on all the modes of public transportation in Philly.

The above is pretty much right on. I just started taking the subway/trolley this year because I moved a bit further (and closer to the subway) and it's pretty convenient. The subway has a stop at 34th and Market and the trolleys stop at 35th and Sansom. I've never taken either late at night by myself since I no longer stay at the law school longer than absolutely necessary but I walked many a time and survived... I'm not sure I would feel better waiting underground where there isn't anywhere to run than I would walking, but that's just me and my irrational fears of certain things. Also, its probably a little more than 3 mins to wait, esp at night, during the day that's probably a good estimate.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby run26.2 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:26 am

Georgiana wrote:
run26.2 wrote:SEPTA is the entire transit system, encompassing buses, subway, regional rails, and trolleys. There is 1 other subway line - the Morristown line.

As far as the trolleys go, there is a stop that is on the same block as the law school. It looks like these lines now run 24 hours. During the day, I'd guess the wait is about 3 minutes to get on one of these things because numerous lines run on the same track. They aren't as fast as the subway trains, but they'll get you there quickly, nonetheless. The trolleys run above ground in some areas, buy underground around the law school and center city. I think they are generally safe at night, mainly because there is a SEPTA operator on there. I think they'd call security if something happened. The streets are probably less safe than the trolleys/subway. But as in any city, watch your step.

You can find out more information about the routes and the schedules at http://www.septa.org. It has info on all the modes of public transportation in Philly.

The above is pretty much right on. I just started taking the subway/trolley this year because I moved a bit further (and closer to the subway) and it's pretty convenient. The subway has a stop at 34th and Market and the trolleys stop at 35th and Sansom. I've never taken either late at night by myself since I no longer stay at the law school longer than absolutely necessary but I walked many a time and survived... I'm not sure I would feel better waiting underground where there isn't anywhere to run than I would walking, but that's just me and my irrational fears of certain things. Also, its probably a little more than 3 mins to wait, esp at night, during the day that's probably a good estimate.


Several other transportation options that you, and others, might consider. There are several options for getting around in a bus of some sort. I have tried to compile the most useful ones below.
1) SEPTA buses that run 24hrs a day. The buses are a surprisingly fast way to get around and they generally are on time. This will give you the most flexibility, but will cost $2/ride. More info: http://www.septa.org/service/bus/
The following are free options:

2) PennBus - Penn provided transportation to areas east and west of campus. The east and west buses run until 12:40 am. Note that the information on these pages indicate that a security officer will escort you to a public transportation or university provided transit stop. More info: http://cms.business-services.upenn.edu/ ... ttles.html (click on the printable schedule to get more detail about when they run, as the page above does not provide all the details)

3) Bus-share with Drexel (free for Penn students) - runs to the east, west, and north of UCity. These run until 11:30 at night and stop about 2 blocks from the law school. Penn students can take Drexel buses and vice-versa for no charge. More info: http://www.drexel.edu/facilities/transp ... Schedules/

4) Lucy - free transportation in and around University City. These only run between 6:10 AM and 7 PM. This service is good if you're carrying a heavy bag or its raining or you simply don't want to walk from 30th Street Station or some other relatively close part of University City to the law campus. More info: http://www.universitycity.org/getting_around/lucy

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Turtledove » Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:53 pm

TLSNYC wrote:So, as I'm starting to look for more housing options, I kind of have a question about public transportation in Philly.

I've only been there a couple of times and never really had to use public transporation, so please excuse htis question if it's totally stupid: basically, the Septa is like the subway system in Philadelphia correct? It runs along Market and Broad street, right? Then there are also the trolleys -- there are 6 main lines of these and they all run to 30th street which the closest stop to the law school? I was a bit confused about these trolleys -- are they above surface like in Boston, per se?

If all that's correct, just a couple more questions:
1. How late is it generally safe to hop on these things? Post 11 PM? Earlier? Later?
2. How frequently do the trolleys run? I noticed some of the places I'm looking at are only 10 min from the law school if I take the trolley, but I'm wondering if it's 10 minutes of actual travel time PLUS like another 15 minutes of waiting for a trolley to come.


I would also say that for your 1L year you really should live within walking distance from the school. It's quite likely you'll have a number of late nights and being able to walk back rather than having to rely on Philly public transit late at night can be a blessing. After that you can basically do whatever you want. Philly has excellent commuter rail and there are some places you can get quite good deals in the suburbs (particularly in those not on the Main Line but still on other commuter rail lines -- I found some great deals in Media for instance). I even know of several 2Ls and 3Ls that even live in NYC and commute down to school two or three days per week.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:18 pm

Turtledove wrote:
TLSNYC wrote:So, as I'm starting to look for more housing options, I kind of have a question about public transportation in Philly.

I've only been there a couple of times and never really had to use public transporation, so please excuse htis question if it's totally stupid: basically, the Septa is like the subway system in Philadelphia correct? It runs along Market and Broad street, right? Then there are also the trolleys -- there are 6 main lines of these and they all run to 30th street which the closest stop to the law school? I was a bit confused about these trolleys -- are they above surface like in Boston, per se?

If all that's correct, just a couple more questions:
1. How late is it generally safe to hop on these things? Post 11 PM? Earlier? Later?
2. How frequently do the trolleys run? I noticed some of the places I'm looking at are only 10 min from the law school if I take the trolley, but I'm wondering if it's 10 minutes of actual travel time PLUS like another 15 minutes of waiting for a trolley to come.


I would also say that for your 1L year you really should live within walking distance from the school. It's quite likely you'll have a number of late nights and being able to walk back rather than having to rely on Philly public transit late at night can be a blessing. After that you can basically do whatever you want. Philly has excellent commuter rail and there are some places you can get quite good deals in the suburbs (particularly in those not on the Main Line but still on other commuter rail lines -- I found some great deals in Media for instance). I even know of several 2Ls and 3Ls that even live in NYC and commute down to school two or three days per week.

I know one who does this from DC too

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby LSN2014 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:22 pm

Does anyone know when the Penn Law bookstore is open?

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:28 pm

LSN2014 wrote:Does anyone know when the Penn Law bookstore is open?

If you're talking about the campus bookstore: --LinkRemoved--

If you're talking about the law school store where you buy tee shirts etc, their hours are not regular and get announced when they have occasion to be open. There's an online site now though: http://www.upenn.edu/shop/pennlaw

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby cherry17 » Sun May 01, 2011 7:46 pm

Sorry if this has been asked already, but where do 1Ls usually live? Particularly those straight out of undergrad? Do they usually live in Sansom or off-campus, and if off-campus, is there a general area? I would prefer to live in an area that has other law students/grad students. Any info is appreciated!

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby czelede » Mon May 02, 2011 2:13 pm

Does anyone know what the process for the International Summer Human Rights fellowship is, or can anyone speak to how competitive/difficult they are? The only information I can find on the site (http://www.law.upenn.edu/international/ ... llows.html) is that you apply during your 1st year.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby czelede » Mon May 02, 2011 2:42 pm

And one more question: has anyone had any experiences with Domus they can speak of? I'm so tempted by its proximity to the school, but all the reviews I read online (mostly about the fire alarms) have me really waffling about the place.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Wed May 04, 2011 9:10 pm

Anyone know when people start doing clinics?

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Thu May 05, 2011 10:05 am

cherry17 wrote:Sorry if this has been asked already, but where do 1Ls usually live? Particularly those straight out of undergrad? Do they usually live in Sansom or off-campus, and if off-campus, is there a general area? I would prefer to live in an area that has other law students/grad students. Any info is appreciated!

They live all over the place, the highest concentration will be in Sansom, after that probably 2400 Chestnut, for more specific housing info outside of those check out the rest of the thread, it's come up a lot.

czelede wrote:Does anyone know what the process for the International Summer Human Rights fellowship is, or can anyone speak to how competitive/difficult they are? The only information I can find on the site (http://www.law.upenn.edu/international/ ... llows.html) is that you apply during your 1st year.

Sorry, no idea about this one! I know quite a few people went abroad for 1L summer but that isnt very helpful info.

czelede wrote:And one more question: has anyone had any experiences with Domus they can speak of? I'm so tempted by its proximity to the school, but all the reviews I read online (mostly about the fire alarms) have me really waffling about the place.

Its overpriced like crazy and management isn't very good (based on what people have told me). But a rooftop pool is a nice perk :)

Veyron wrote:Anyone know when people start doing clinics?

"When" in what sense? I know people who did them in 2L and people who waited until 3L and people who did clinics during both (and people who worked in the clinics over the summer 1L). Its a little harder to get in as a 2L but its doable. If you mean "when do they start" it depends more on the clinic, the SCOTUS clinic I believe had the option of doing some work over summer and others may have the same option but you just have to ask the person who runs the clinic.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Thu May 05, 2011 3:11 pm

Georgiana wrote:
cherry17 wrote:Sorry if this has been asked already, but where do 1Ls usually live? Particularly those straight out of undergrad? Do they usually live in Sansom or off-campus, and if off-campus, is there a general area? I would prefer to live in an area that has other law students/grad students. Any info is appreciated!

They live all over the place, the highest concentration will be in Sansom, after that probably 2400 Chestnut, for more specific housing info outside of those check out the rest of the thread, it's come up a lot.

czelede wrote:Does anyone know what the process for the International Summer Human Rights fellowship is, or can anyone speak to how competitive/difficult they are? The only information I can find on the site (http://www.law.upenn.edu/international/ ... llows.html) is that you apply during your 1st year.

Sorry, no idea about this one! I know quite a few people went abroad for 1L summer but that isnt very helpful info.

czelede wrote:And one more question: has anyone had any experiences with Domus they can speak of? I'm so tempted by its proximity to the school, but all the reviews I read online (mostly about the fire alarms) have me really waffling about the place.

Its overpriced like crazy and management isn't very good (based on what people have told me). But a rooftop pool is a nice perk :)

Veyron wrote:Anyone know when people start doing clinics?

"When" in what sense? I know people who did them in 2L and people who waited until 3L and people who did clinics during both (and people who worked in the clinics over the summer 1L). Its a little harder to get in as a 2L but its doable. If you mean "when do they start" it depends more on the clinic, the SCOTUS clinic I believe had the option of doing some work over summer and others may have the same option but you just have to ask the person who runs the clinic.


More like when do they apply. I'm thinking specifically crim def, civil lit, or SCOTUS (If I can get in).

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Thu May 05, 2011 3:18 pm

Veyron wrote:More like when do they apply. I'm thinking specifically crim def, civil lit, or SCOTUS (If I can get in).

Got it... the only one that had applications was SCOTUS, the rest you just bid on during registration and hope you get. I'm not sure whether SCOTUS will keep up the applications or switch, but you can always ask Bibas about it. The other hard one to get into is the Legislative clinic because you're responsible for finding a placement and should probably be talking to Rulli about it before and during your search. The rest is luck of the draw and keeping your eye out for openings during that first week of classes (they send out emails if there's a clinic opening).

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Thu May 05, 2011 4:17 pm

Georgiana wrote:
Veyron wrote:More like when do they apply. I'm thinking specifically crim def, civil lit, or SCOTUS (If I can get in).

Got it... the only one that had applications was SCOTUS, the rest you just bid on during registration and hope you get. I'm not sure whether SCOTUS will keep up the applications or switch, but you can always ask Bibas about it. The other hard one to get into is the Legislative clinic because you're responsible for finding a placement and should probably be talking to Rulli about it before and during your search. The rest is luck of the draw and keeping your eye out for openings during that first week of classes (they send out emails if there's a clinic opening).


Sweet, thanks. Biabas seems like a good dood (and very friendly to FedSoc) members. I may chat him up.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby johnnyutah » Sat May 07, 2011 8:35 am

beebee18 wrote:I have a question about job prospects...

What happens to students that preform poorly and are at the bottom of their class? Do they get summer jobs and jobs after graduation? What kind of jobs?


Lots of students from the Class of 2011 had a ton of trouble finding jobs, and many are still unemployed (though I am no longer one of these :mrgreen: ). Not all of them have bad grades, either. That's just how the economy is nowadays.

To be fair, I have heard that OCI was a lot better for the Class of 2012.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Veyron » Sat May 07, 2011 8:58 am

Penn 2L, taking questions.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby Georgiana » Sat May 07, 2011 9:42 am

Veyron wrote:Penn 2L, taking questions.

Penn Alumnus? Me? Really? THANK GOD :)

Still probably taking questions throughout the bar process.

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Re: Penn Students Taking Questions

Postby pereira6 » Sat May 07, 2011 11:22 am

Veyron wrote:Penn 2L, taking questions.

Georgiana wrote:Penn Alumnus? Me? Really? THANK GOD :)



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