aer wrote:topdawg wrote:3. As far as the ideals that our country was founded on....go read a little history. Look at how we treated Tories, Native Americans, African Americans, etc. Look at Sherman and the South during the Civil War or the use of napalm in Vietnam. Honestly, the tactics that the Bush Administration used were far more humane and limited than those used during most, if not all, previous wars. War is hell and there are definitely moral gray areas. The Founding Fathers provided Constitutional protections for American citizens, but failed to do so for foreign combatants, so I fail to see what ideals you are talking about (I am not saying upholding certain values or ideals is wrong, I am simply saying that the country was not founded on some ideal that limited the ability of the country to defend itself from outside attack). Do you honestly think they would have opposed dipping someone's head in water? I am not accusing you of this by any means, but it is the outrage in the media and on the left about how waterboarding is pretty much the worst thing we have ever done that reveals that hate of the Bush administration has everything to do with this discussion. As a nation, we have done a lot of bad things in our history (and plenty of good things as well), but this is a small blip in comparison with most of those things. Honestly, the fact that we exercised such restraint with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when he hinted at future attacks demonstrates an amazing level of respect for human rights.
The ideals this country was founded on include the idea that all people deserve rights and protections. The fact that these ideals have not always been followed does not change the fact that we should follow them and when the government fails to they should be held accountable.
That said, even though I am repulsed by Yoo and his legal opinion, since his actions don't meet Berkeley's requirements for firing him he should not be fired. However, he should be disbarred and prosecuted.
You and others on this board wrongly suppose that simply because the ends of government can be put in such general terms, the means can as well. I take it you're not familiar with what are called the "mixed virtues." read up on LBJ and you'll see what I mean.