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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby MischiefMayhemSoap » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:41 pm

If you're dedicated and your schedule permits you could score 3-4 free meals in a week. It depends a lot on the time of year though. Toward the end all the groups want to spend off their funds so the food is plentiful.

While you're studying for finals, though.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby msblaw89 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:48 pm

redsox550 wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc


uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby HBBJohnStamos » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:49 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
redsox550 wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc


uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days


Pre-registration is not first come, first served. You will have until July 23, 2012, 4 PM, to submit your pre-registration course selection.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Lavitz » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:51 pm

MischiefMayhemSoap wrote:If you're dedicated and your schedule permits you could score 3-4 free meals in a week. It depends a lot on the time of year though. Toward the end all the groups want to spend off their funds so the food is plentiful.

While you're studying for finals, though.

I'll make time. :wink:

Thanks.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:52 pm

HBBJohnStamos wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:
redsox550 wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc


uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days


Pre-registration is not first come, first served. You will have until July 23, 2012, 4 PM, to submit your pre-registration course selection.


Reading comprehension skills are a valuable asset in the law.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby msblaw89 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:53 pm

HBBJohnStamos wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:
redsox550 wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc


uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days


Pre-registration is not first come, first served. You will have until July 23, 2012, 4 PM, to submit your pre-registration course selection.

Wow.... Screwed that one up thought it was June

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby MischiefMayhemSoap » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:55 pm

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Lincoln » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:02 pm

MischiefMayhemSoap wrote:So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon


There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby northerrn » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:08 pm

This is speculative, but from CLSevals it seems like Whitehead is probably the better teacher, but is also very difficult. He also teaches Sec Reg in the Spring so you might be at a disadvantage if you didn't take his Biz Orgs class.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:09 pm

Lincoln wrote:
MischiefMayhemSoap wrote:So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon


There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.


No Stout available next year.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby msblaw89 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:15 pm

Lincoln wrote:
MischiefMayhemSoap wrote:So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon


There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

Do you say this because he's just not good at teaching it? Or his curve is awful?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Lincoln » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:16 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
MischiefMayhemSoap wrote:So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon


There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

Do you say this because he's just not good at teaching it? Or his curve is awful?


I didn't have him, but many of my friends have and I've interacted with him quite a bit. He's brilliant and passionate about what he does, but a bit disorganized. Also, corporations law isn't really what his research interest is. Same is true for Whitehead, I guess (he's more securities–oriented), but I've only heard good things about Whitehead.

Don't get me wrong: Hockett is amazing. He's probably the smartest guy I've ever met. His current schtick is using eminent domain to seize underwater mortgages. It's getting some buzz in the ether, and several towns in CA are currently attempting to use his plan. He does tons of work at the NY Fed (where he's currently a fellow), the IMF, etc., but is also involved with Occupy Wall Street. Fascinating guy who does really interesting work. I just don't think he's the best biz orgs prof.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Lincoln » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:17 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
MischiefMayhemSoap wrote:So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon


There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.


No Stout available next year.


Too bad. I like Stout.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:15 pm

Lincoln wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
MischiefMayhemSoap wrote:So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon


There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.


No Stout available next year.


Too bad. I like Stout.


Ditto.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby LFH_intheflesh » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:11 am

So there's this Business Concepts for Lawyers class that is one unit and takes place over one weekend.

On one hand, it sounds like I need it because I have no bus/econ background at all (english major). On the other hand, the setup sounds like traffic schools (4 hours on a Friday Saturday and Sunday).

Anybody take this? Is it worth doing?

ETA: lolartlaw

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Lincoln » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:59 am

LFH_intheflesh wrote:So there's this Business Concepts for Lawyers class that is one unit and takes place over one weekend.

On one hand, it sounds like I need it because I have no bus/econ background at all (english major). On the other hand, the setup sounds like traffic schools (4 hours on a Friday Saturday and Sunday).

Anybody take this? Is it worth doing?

ETA: lolartlaw


I didn't take this, but it sounds useless. Just take biz orgs, and if there are terms you don't understand, look them up on investopedia.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby CocoNutties » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:25 pm

1. In a class that allows S/U grading, do those grades get separated out from the curve, or are they included but modified after grading?
2. If the answer to above is separation, which classes do most people take as S/U?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:45 pm

CocoNutties wrote:1. In a class that allows S/U grading, do those grades get separated out from the curve, or are they included but modified after grading?
2. If the answer to above is separation, which classes do most people take as S/U?


They are, unfortunately, not included in the curve.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Lincoln » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:34 pm

CocoNutties wrote:1. In a class that allows S/U grading, do those grades get separated out from the curve, or are they included but modified after grading?
2. If the answer to above is separation, which classes do most people take as S/U?


Federal Courts and Securities Regulation tend to be popular choices. I don't necessarily agree with those choices, unless you're trying to protect a really high GPA.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby msblaw89 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:06 pm

Should I even bid on Weil anymore?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby LFH_intheflesh » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:16 pm

Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby msblaw89 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:23 pm

LFH_intheflesh wrote:Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.


The other problem is ... What firms are due for a downsize/ lower pay?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby HBBJohnStamos » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:27 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
LFH_intheflesh wrote:Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.


The other problem is ... What firms are due for a downsize/ lower pay?


That's obviously a judgment call on your part unless you have their book of business. New York offices won't lower their entry level pay though. Not going to attract top talent at 145 unless you're in a secondary market; ergo, better to lay off 7% of associates instead and let the lemmings keep running to you.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby LFH_intheflesh » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:30 pm

I try not to be a lemming but their reception at the Johnson Art Museum was really nice.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby msblaw89 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:40 pm

HBBJohnStamos wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:
LFH_intheflesh wrote:Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.


The other problem is ... What firms are due for a downsize/ lower pay?


That's obviously a judgment call on your part unless you have their book of business. New York offices won't lower their entry level pay though. Not going to attract top talent at 145 unless you're in a secondary market; ergo, better to lay off 7% of associates instead and let the lemmings keep running to you.

Right, it's tough to judge. I just want to avoid doing a SA with a firm that ends up being like Dewey and get totally blindsided




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