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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby ajaxconstructions » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:15 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
transfer2014 wrote:Have people gotten dean's list emails yet?


I got a letter today. Snail mail. I heard from a reputable source the cutoff was a 3.67.


WTF?

What would be top 20% gpa then?

Also how does this make sense?

top 10% gpa was a 3.81. Top 30% being a 3.67 makes NO SENSE.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:48 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
transfer2014 wrote:Have people gotten dean's list emails yet?


I got a letter today. Snail mail. I heard from a reputable source the cutoff was a 3.67.


WTF?

What would be top 20% gpa then?

Also how does this make sense?

top 10% gpa was a 3.81. Top 30% being a 3.67 makes NO SENSE.


top 10% was a 3.81 for the 1L class. 3.67 was top 30% for the entire school.

EDIT: 3.67 was likely cutoff for C/O 2013
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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby ajaxconstructions » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:52 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
transfer2014 wrote:Have people gotten dean's list emails yet?


I got a letter today. Snail mail. I heard from a reputable source the cutoff was a 3.67.


WTF?

What would be top 20% gpa then?

Also how does this make sense?

top 10% gpa was a 3.81. Top 30% being a 3.67 makes NO SENSE.


top 10% was a 3.81 for the 1L class. 3.67 was top 30% for the entire school.


Anyways that seems like a really weird distribution, considering our median can't be higher than a 3.5.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby woeisme » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:21 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:
Anyways that seems like a really weird distribution, considering our median can't be higher than a 3.5.


lol so a 3.5 is really like median now? 3.5 was top 30% just a few years ago. So ridiculous!

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby ajaxconstructions » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:23 pm

woeisme wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
Anyways that seems like a really weird distribution, considering our median can't be higher than a 3.5.


lol so a 3.5 is really like median now? 3.5 was top 30% just a few years ago. So ridiculous!


Well it's probably a bit below a 3.5, but I can't see 3.67 = top 30%, and 3.81 = top 10% unless median is at least a 3.5.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:38 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:
woeisme wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
Anyways that seems like a really weird distribution, considering our median can't be higher than a 3.5.


lol so a 3.5 is really like median now? 3.5 was top 30% just a few years ago. So ridiculous!


Well it's probably a bit below a 3.5, but I can't see 3.67 = top 30%, and 3.81 = top 10% unless median is at least a 3.5.


Mean (not median) in the fall was something like a 3.42, meanmedian is probably a bit higher.
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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby ajaxconstructions » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:39 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
woeisme wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
Anyways that seems like a really weird distribution, considering our median can't be higher than a 3.5.


lol so a 3.5 is really like median now? 3.5 was top 30% just a few years ago. So ridiculous!


Well it's probably a bit below a 3.5, but I can't see 3.67 = top 30%, and 3.81 = top 10% unless median is at least a 3.5.


Mean (not median) in the fall was something like a 3.42, mean is probably a bit higher.


Mean was a 3.42 but mean was a bit higher? What?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby FlanAl » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:06 am

I have a bit of trouble believing that the CSO is telling firms that our median is 3.35 when it is really 3.5 or above. Or we just have great career services? Maybe OCI goes so well because 85% of us are above median?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:45 am

FlanAl wrote:I have a bit of trouble believing that the CSO is telling firms that our median is 3.35 when it is really 3.5 or above. Or we just have great career services? Maybe OCI goes so well because 85% of us are above median?


Ok this isn't that hard. It is a 3.5 or BELOW. It was a 3.42 ish for the 1L class.

Firms may not care, or they may not look that hard. It would be nearly impossible for them to know the true curve, and because of the limited number of interview slots, they can only see as many top students as they'd normally see, anyway. So from the firm's perspective, nothing really has changed.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby timetoleave » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:44 am

Arbiter213 wrote:
transfer2014 wrote:Have people gotten dean's list emails yet?


I got a letter today. Snail mail. I heard from a reputable source the cutoff was a 3.67.


I know someone below the above number on Dean's List. Not much below, but below. So above can't be correct, at least for 1L

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:56 am

timetoleave wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
transfer2014 wrote:Have people gotten dean's list emails yet?


I got a letter today. Snail mail. I heard from a reputable source the cutoff was a 3.67.


I know someone below the above number on Dean's List. Not much below, but below. So above can't be correct, at least for 1L


Ah, good point. That was probably the cutoff for rising 3Ls. I didn't think the 3.67 number made sense, either. With the mean at 3.42 and 3.81 top 10%, the cutoff should be something more like a 3.58.
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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:00 am

Arbiter213 wrote:
timetoleave wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
transfer2014 wrote:Have people gotten dean's list emails yet?


I got a letter today. Snail mail. I heard from a reputable source the cutoff was a 3.67.


I know someone below the above number on Dean's List. Not much below, but below. So above can't be correct, at least for 1L


Ah, good point. That was probably the cutoff for rising 3Ls. I didn't think the 3.67 number made sense, either. With the mean at 3.42 and 3.81 top 10%, the cutoff should be something more like a 3.64.


Your reputable sources are fucking mentally retarded.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:16 am

ajaxconstructions wrote:Your reputable sources are fucking mentally retarded.


:roll:

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:31 am

Arbiter213 wrote:
timetoleave wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
transfer2014 wrote:Have people gotten dean's list emails yet?


I got a letter today. Snail mail. I heard from a reputable source the cutoff was a 3.67.


I know someone below the above number on Dean's List. Not much below, but below. So above can't be correct, at least for 1L


Ah, good point. That was probably the cutoff for rising 3Ls. I didn't think the 3.67 number made sense, either. With the mean at 3.42 and 3.81 top 10%, the cutoff should be something more like a 3.58.


The cutoff isn't a 3.58 spring semester. I know someone with a 3.6 who didn't make dean's list. I'm guessing it's at least a 3.61, which means our median is at least a 3.48ish using normal distribution.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:54 am

ajaxconstructions wrote:
The cutoff isn't a 3.58 spring semester. I know someone with a 3.6 who didn't make dean's list. I'm guessing it's at least a 3.61, which means our median is at least a 3.48ish using normal distribution.


Median isn't the relevant number for a normal distribution, but yah. I back of the enveloped a 3.42 using the stats book in the fall, but it could easily have been much higher in the spring. For what it's worth, last year it was closer to a 3.47.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby woeisme » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:55 pm

FlanAl wrote:I have a bit of trouble believing that the CSO is telling firms that our median is 3.35 when it is really 3.5 or above. Or we just have great career services? Maybe OCI goes so well because 85% of us are above median?


It's Cornell's way of keeping up with its peers. Basically all of the other T14s pad GPAs in other ways but I'm not sure why Cornell doesn't just follow their systems. Most of the other T14s either (1) include LLMs on the curve (and the LLMs basically uniformally and without fail eat up the bottom of the curve thus inflating the JD rank) or (2) do not enforce curves in classes under 40 people (such that JDs can basically ensure that they opt for classes that will award solely As).

I doubt the mean is 3.5. I was a 3L when they made the grade change and, at least at that time, many professors didn't act on the leniency of the new curve. Plus, to be fair, the new curve allows you to go under a 3.35 mean. And I don't think Cornell is explicitly saying that the median is 3.35, it's just saying that 3.35 is the aspirational median (and the one which at least some professors continue to enforce). 3.35 is probably an inaccurate, but fairly close estimate.

ETA: For frame of reference, my year (2011) top 30% was a 3.52, I think. The year before me top 30% was a 3.48.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby horrorbusiness » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:38 pm

Is the upcoming expansion/renovation close enough to hughes or the library to be a potential noise problem?

During one year of my UG the school was building a new on-campus housing complex next to the one I was living in, and it sucked. Construction every day starting at 8AM.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby sf88 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:04 pm

If there are any 1Ls with pets here, who are the affordable vets in town?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Arbiter213 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:04 pm

horrorbusiness wrote:Is the upcoming expansion/renovation close enough to hughes or the library to be a potential noise problem?

During one year of my UG the school was building a new on-campus housing complex next to the one I was living in, and it sucked. Construction every day starting at 8AM.


Yes to library, no to Hughes.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Schang1 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:26 am

Have any of you lived/heard/know of anyone living in one of these places: collegetown center, court, plaza, 407 college ave? I've never visited Ithaca and will be leasing an apt without being able to see it for real, so wanted to gather as many opinions as I can before signing off a lease. The landlord mentioned that collegetown center is known to be the quieter building and is located in a quieter area among the three, but it is located right next to plaza, so not sure how that works. Anyways, would love to hear anything about these 4 places I'm looking into!! :)

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby Superfrankie » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:03 am

hi schang you looking for a roommate =)?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby PinkCow » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:03 pm

A question for any lurking 3Ls and up:

Federal Income Tax professors R. A. Green [fall], L. Kahng [spring].

Which one is less painful?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby woeisme » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:42 pm

PinkCow wrote:A question for any lurking 3Ls and up:

Federal Income Tax professors R. A. Green [fall], L. Kahng [spring].

Which one is less painful?


No idea who Kahng is, but Kahng is my recommendation.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:40 am

For those of you who brought your own vehicle from out of state....were you able to keep your home state insurance? or did you have to change your licsense plates and insurance?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby PinkCow » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:45 am

msblaw89 wrote:For those of you who brought your own vehicle from out of state....were you able to keep your home state insurance? or did you have to change your licsense plates and insurance?


I put my address for insurance and all registration at my parents' house out of state. Saves $$$$$$.




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