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PinkCow wrote:Question from a naive west coaster: What is up with all the rust? Seriously, like every other car there looked diseased.

You couldn't figure this out by just thinking?

vexion wrote:

damage-inc wrote:whats the scene like in "downtown" ithaca. Theres apparently a mall and movie theaters and etc. Theres even apartments in that mall-type place.

There's no mall in downtown Ithaca.

The commons, in downtown Ithaca, is actually a pedestrian MALL. It's not a strip mall.

kn6542 wrote:

PinkCow wrote:Question from a naive west coaster: What is up with all the rust? Seriously, like every other car there looked diseased.

You couldn't figure this out by just thinking?

Well, you see, I live in a climate very similar to Ithaca, yet the average car doesn't look nearly as shredded. I realize they salt the roads more than here, and I know that has something to do with it. Just thought there was extra info.

I'll show myself out.

japes wrote:How accurate is Cornell's rep for being the most studious law school in the t14? How bad are gunners?

Not bad at all. Also, the fucking least of your worries

Law school is always going to be hard no matter where you are and there will always be people that "gun". Personally I don't think we have many gunners and the ones we do have are not an issue.

mths wrote:

japes wrote:How accurate is Cornell's rep for being the most studious law school in the t14? How bad are gunners?

Not bad at all. Also, the fucking least of your worries

Law school is always going to be hard no matter where you are and there will always be people that "gun". Personally I don't think we have many gunners and the ones we do have are not an issue.

Or is cornell so gunnerific that you're all gunners and don't notice?

Arbiter213 wrote:

mths wrote:

japes wrote:How accurate is Cornell's rep for being the most studious law school in the t14? How bad are gunners?

Not bad at all. Also, the fucking least of your worries

Law school is always going to be hard no matter where you are and there will always be people that "gun". Personally I don't think we have many gunners and the ones we do have are not an issue.

Or is cornell so gunnerific that you're all gunners and don't notice?

Definitely not gunnerific. The vast majority of people will not talk in lecture classes unless explicitly called on (or sometimes if no one will raise their hand and the professor has that "I'm seriously not moving on until one of you answers" look on his or her face).

Do serious gunners have friends in law school?

FiveSermon wrote:Do serious gunners have friends in law school?

Yeah. Most people who gun in class are actually really pleasant to converse with outside of class, in my experience.

Other25BeforeYou wrote:

FiveSermon wrote:Do serious gunners have friends in law school?

Yeah. Most people who gun in class are actually really pleasant to converse with outside of class, in my experience.

That's good, because I'm almost certainly gonna be an unintentional gunner (I participate in classes. That's how I learn :-/ )

Arbiter213 wrote:That's good, because I'm almost certainly gonna be an unintentional gunner (I participate in classes. That's how I learn :-/ )

That's called intentional gunning. You've got the mens rea.

vexion wrote:

Arbiter213 wrote:That's good, because I'm almost certainly gonna be an unintentional gunner (I participate in classes. That's how I learn :-/ )

That's called intentional gunning. You've got the mens rea.

Good thing he sticks with the MPC.

Juff wrote:

vexion wrote:

Arbiter213 wrote:That's good, because I'm almost certainly gonna be an unintentional gunner (I participate in classes. That's how I learn :-/ )

That's called intentional gunning. You've got the mens rea.

Good thing he sticks with the MPC.

What's this MPC?

Arbiter213 wrote:

Juff wrote:

vexion wrote:

Arbiter213 wrote:That's good, because I'm almost certainly gonna be an unintentional gunner (I participate in classes. That's how I learn :-/ )

That's called intentional gunning. You've got the mens rea.

Good thing he sticks with the MPC.

What's this MPC?

A terrible, terrible joke.

You guys know anybody from Utah? I'm wondering if being from a state that typically doesn't place very often in the T14 could actually help me a bit in applying to Cornell. About the most diverse this upper-middle class white kid is going to get.

Edit:
Second question: What is the ED process at Cornell? The latest I'll be applying will be right when I get my October LSAT results back, so I'll still be quite early in the cycle. Tips on catering my application and ED decision as much as possible to Cornell, as it's my first choice?

coldshoulder wrote:You guys know anybody from Utah? I'm wondering if being from a state that typically doesn't place very often in the T14 could actually help me a bit in applying to Cornell. About the most diverse this upper-middle class white kid is going to get.

Edit:
Second question: What is the ED process at Cornell? The latest I'll be applying will be right when I get my October LSAT results back, so I'll still be quite early in the cycle. Tips on catering my application and ED decision as much as possible to Cornell, as it's my first choice?

I don't know of anyone from Utah (at Cornell), but home state / school state does not matter (I'm "from" Iowa and doubt it helped at all in my app).

Cornell does not have ED, they have EA which is non-binding and generally does not give you any benefit in application other than being notified before New Years instead of being notified in Feb or Mar. The only process for it is to get your app in before the EA deadline (Nov 1), go complete before the EA complete deadline (Nov 15) and to check the EA box.

Other25BeforeYou wrote:

Arbiter213 wrote:

mths wrote:

japes wrote:How accurate is Cornell's rep for being the most studious law school in the t14? How bad are gunners?

Not bad at all. Also, the fucking least of your worries

Law school is always going to be hard no matter where you are and there will always be people that "gun". Personally I don't think we have many gunners and the ones we do have are not an issue.

Or is cornell so gunnerific that you're all gunners and don't notice?

Definitely not gunnerific. The vast majority of people will not talk in lecture classes unless explicitly called on (or sometimes if no one will raise their hand and the professor has that "I'm seriously not moving on until one of you answers" look on his or her face).

As for Cornell's reputation for being the most studious, I would say that while the workload is substantial, it is what you make of it. Cornell's first year program is substantially more intense than most other T-14. We have a full year of Contracts and Civil Procedure with tests for both at the end of each semester. We also have Constitutional Law as a required first year course, which ends up giving you two 16 credit semesters in your first year with 4 substantive classes. We also have graded legal writing (or "lawyering" as they call it here). This causes everyone to freak out in the first semester since you go almost 8 weeks without a graded assignment, and then get something that you'll actually get feedback on.

The flip side of this is because of Cornell's small size, close community, and god-awful weather, people are generally nice to each other. While there are 'gunners' in each class, I've never had to worry about pages getting ripped out of my books or someone not sharing notes. There are people who love to hear themselves talk and lack the social perception to realize that everyone groans when they do, but these people are the exception and not the norm here.

If you are the type that learns by participating, my advice is to participate by asking the professor questions and not by spewing off your opinion or interpretation of the reading. If you feel like you have something to say, 9 times out of 10 there's someone else who will say it or the person being socraticized will figure it out. Phrase your comments as questions which would allow the professor to clarify the doctrine (instead of giving your interpretation of what you think it is). Example:

Wrong: "I think that the court's determination is wrong in this case because the person's actions were reasonable since he was only trying to help his friend"

Right: "How do subjective factors, such as the fact that the person was trying to help his friend, come into play in this area of law? If the doctrine employs a reasonableness standard, why does the court ignore that here?"

Hope this helps.

Ostrizr316 wrote:
Hope this helps.

It does, thanks!

Juff wrote:

vexion wrote:

Arbiter213 wrote:That's good, because I'm almost certainly gonna be an unintentional gunner (I participate in classes. That's how I learn :-/ )

That's called intentional gunning. You've got the mens rea.

Good thing he sticks with the MPC.

This is why people hate law students

Ostrizr316 wrote:
As for Cornell's reputation for being the most studious, I would say that while the workload is substantial, it is what you make of it. Cornell's first year program is substantially more intense than most other T-14. We have a full year of Contracts and Civil Procedure with tests for both at the end of each semester. We also have Constitutional Law as a required first year course, which ends up giving you two 16 credit semesters in your first year with 4 substantive classes. We also have graded legal writing (or "lawyering" as they call it here). This causes everyone to freak out in the first semester since you go almost 8 weeks without a graded assignment, and then get something that you'll actually get feedback on.

The flip side of this is because of Cornell's small size, close community, and god-awful weather, people are generally nice to each other. While there are 'gunners' in each class, I've never had to worry about pages getting ripped out of my books or someone not sharing notes. There are people who love to hear themselves talk and lack the social perception to realize that everyone groans when they do, but these people are the exception and not the norm here.

If you are the type that learns by participating, my advice is to participate by asking the professor questions and not by spewing off your opinion or interpretation of the reading. If you feel like you have something to say, 9 times out of 10 there's someone else who will say it or the person being socraticized will figure it out. Phrase your comments as questions which would allow the professor to clarify the doctrine (instead of giving your interpretation of what you think it is). Example:

Wrong: "I think that the court's determination is wrong in this case because the person's actions were reasonable since he was only trying to help his friend"

Right: "How do subjective factors, such as the fact that the person was trying to help his friend, come into play in this area of law? If the doctrine employs a reasonableness standard, why does the court ignore that here?"

Hope this helps.

I just want your opinions on Contracts...all I want

super subtle tls name btw

mths wrote:

Ostrizr316 wrote:
As for Cornell's reputation for being the most studious, I would say that while the workload is substantial, it is what you make of it. Cornell's first year program is substantially more intense than most other T-14. We have a full year of Contracts and Civil Procedure with tests for both at the end of each semester. We also have Constitutional Law as a required first year course, which ends up giving you two 16 credit semesters in your first year with 4 substantive classes. We also have graded legal writing (or "lawyering" as they call it here). This causes everyone to freak out in the first semester since you go almost 8 weeks without a graded assignment, and then get something that you'll actually get feedback on.

The flip side of this is because of Cornell's small size, close community, and god-awful weather, people are generally nice to each other. While there are 'gunners' in each class, I've never had to worry about pages getting ripped out of my books or someone not sharing notes. There are people who love to hear themselves talk and lack the social perception to realize that everyone groans when they do, but these people are the exception and not the norm here.

If you are the type that learns by participating, my advice is to participate by asking the professor questions and not by spewing off your opinion or interpretation of the reading. If you feel like you have something to say, 9 times out of 10 there's someone else who will say it or the person being socraticized will figure it out. Phrase your comments as questions which would allow the professor to clarify the doctrine (instead of giving your interpretation of what you think it is). Example:

Wrong: "I think that the court's determination is wrong in this case because the person's actions were reasonable since he was only trying to help his friend"

Right: "How do subjective factors, such as the fact that the person was trying to help his friend, come into play in this area of law? If the doctrine employs a reasonableness standard, why does the court ignore that here?"

Hope this helps.

I just want your opinions on Contracts...all I want

super subtle tls name btw

super subtle avatar.

How much debt is Cornell worth? (i.e. please provide an encouraging story about people you know getting a good job in their target market.... sigh)

shakingpaper wrote:How much debt is Cornell worth? (i.e. please provide an encouraging story about people you know getting a good job in their target market.... sigh)

Good question, I would guess anything above $100k is probably pushing it.

Ikki wrote:

shakingpaper wrote:How much debt is Cornell worth? (i.e. please provide an encouraging story about people you know getting a good job in their target market.... sigh)

Good question, I would guess anything above $100k is probably pushing it.

COA is $216K

So what you're saying is that everyone, except those who got a Dean's Scholarship, are probably pushing it? Don't be such a downer.

spacepenguin wrote:

Ikki wrote:

shakingpaper wrote:How much debt is Cornell worth? (i.e. please provide an encouraging story about people you know getting a good job in their target market.... sigh)

Good question, I would guess anything above $100k is probably pushing it.

COA is $216K

So what you're saying is that everyone, except those who got a Dean's Scholarship, are probably pushing it? Don't be such a downer.

Haha I was hoping everyone didn't share his sentiments. I'll be lucky to get out with <$160k

Any student's want to chime in on Novarr-Mackesey properties? Rent? Mainly undergrads? Don't waste my time?