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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby LeahNic » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:52 pm

boss wrote:Anyone have an answer about OCI? ._. <<I'm scurred.


I don't think we really know. Career services hasn't sent out any sort of official update letting us know how OCI went. It's difficult to know without some sort of update, because people have been less likely to talk about it freely knowing the way the legal job market is.

I couldn't give you any sort of numbers that would be based on any sort of data at all, and an estimate would really just be a wild guess. Pretty much anything I know would be anecdotal. Sorry I can't be more specific, maybe other 2Ls know more, but not that I have heard of.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby kn6542 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:52 pm

:idea:
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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby fsohn » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:57 pm

LeahNic wrote:
boss wrote:Anyone have an answer about OCI? ._. <<I'm scurred.


I don't think we really know. Career services hasn't sent out any sort of official update letting us know how OCI went. It's difficult to know without some sort of update, because people have been less likely to talk about it freely knowing the way the legal job market is.

I couldn't give you any sort of numbers that would be based on any sort of data at all, and an estimate would really just be a wild guess. Pretty much anything I know would be anecdotal. Sorry I can't be more specific, maybe other 2Ls know more, but not that I have heard of.


I've heard 40% being thrown around as the percentage of people who got summer associate offers through OCI. I know at least one person who got a summer associate offer through personal outreach. That said, it is, frankly, a shit-show, and it will be for the foreseeable future.

The truth is out--law firms view law students as cogs, and when in some short-sighted view of protecting firm profit margins it becomes sub-optimal for them to take us on, they don't. It might get better by the time you undergo OCI, but be aware, you are literally a piece of meat to them, good only for what they can get out of you. You are not a person to biglaw.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby como » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:37 pm

fsohn wrote:
LeahNic wrote:
boss wrote:Anyone have an answer about OCI? ._. <<I'm scurred.


I don't think we really know. Career services hasn't sent out any sort of official update letting us know how OCI went. It's difficult to know without some sort of update, because people have been less likely to talk about it freely knowing the way the legal job market is.

I couldn't give you any sort of numbers that would be based on any sort of data at all, and an estimate would really just be a wild guess. Pretty much anything I know would be anecdotal. Sorry I can't be more specific, maybe other 2Ls know more, but not that I have heard of.


I've heard 40% being thrown around as the percentage of people who got summer associate offers through OCI. I know at least one person who got a summer associate offer through personal outreach. That said, it is, frankly, a shit-show, and it will be for the foreseeable future.

The truth is out--law firms view law students as cogs, and when in some short-sighted view of protecting firm profit margins it becomes sub-optimal for them to take us on, they don't. It might get better by the time you undergo OCI, but be aware, you are literally a piece of meat to them, good only for what they can get out of you. You are not a person to biglaw.


This. You might want to think hard about not going to law school.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby panda » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:49 pm

you ppl are so depressing. almost depressing as the fact that i have spent 30 minutes on 1pg of civ pro, because i keep imagining the questions Holden-Smith might ask me, and read it again.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby kn6542 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:33 pm

como wrote:
fsohn wrote:
LeahNic wrote:
boss wrote:Anyone have an answer about OCI? ._. <<I'm scurred.


I don't think we really know. Career services hasn't sent out any sort of official update letting us know how OCI went. It's difficult to know without some sort of update, because people have been less likely to talk about it freely knowing the way the legal job market is.

I couldn't give you any sort of numbers that would be based on any sort of data at all, and an estimate would really just be a wild guess. Pretty much anything I know would be anecdotal. Sorry I can't be more specific, maybe other 2Ls know more, but not that I have heard of.


I've heard 40% being thrown around as the percentage of people who got summer associate offers through OCI. I know at least one person who got a summer associate offer through personal outreach. That said, it is, frankly, a shit-show, and it will be for the foreseeable future.

The truth is out--law firms view law students as cogs, and when in some short-sighted view of protecting firm profit margins it becomes sub-optimal for them to take us on, they don't. It might get better by the time you undergo OCI, but be aware, you are literally a piece of meat to them, good only for what they can get out of you. You are not a person to biglaw.


This. You might want to think hard about not going to law school.

Or just not have unrealistic fantasies about what you're getting into.
I'm not sure why anyone would think they are *not* a piece of meat to biglaw. I mean, they pay you as much as they do for the privilege of treating you like their bitch. There's nothing new or surprising about that.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby como » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:34 pm

kn6542 wrote:
como wrote:This. You might want to think hard about not going to law school.

Or just not have unrealistic fantasies about what you're getting into.
I'm not sure why anyone would think they are *not* a piece of meat to biglaw. I mean, they pay you as much as they do for the privilege of treating you like their bitch. There's nothing new or surprising about that.


Certainly not. I'm just saying, your odds of getting treated like a bitch are substantially shitty right now.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby sheltron5000 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:42 am

como wrote:
kn6542 wrote:
como wrote:This. You might want to think hard about not going to law school.

Or just not have unrealistic fantasies about what you're getting into.
I'm not sure why anyone would think they are *not* a piece of meat to biglaw. I mean, they pay you as much as they do for the privilege of treating you like their bitch. There's nothing new or surprising about that.


Certainly not. I'm just saying, your odds of getting treated like a bitch are substantially shitty right now.


I think the only thing that would surprise me about biglaw right now would be actually getting a job...

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby como » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:29 pm

sheltron5000 wrote:
como wrote:
kn6542 wrote:
como wrote:This. You might want to think hard about not going to law school.

Or just not have unrealistic fantasies about what you're getting into.
I'm not sure why anyone would think they are *not* a piece of meat to biglaw. I mean, they pay you as much as they do for the privilege of treating you like their bitch. There's nothing new or surprising about that.


Certainly not. I'm just saying, your odds of getting treated like a bitch are substantially shitty right now.


I think the only thing that would surprise me about biglaw right now would be actually getting a job...


Hah.. +1

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby panda » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:15 pm

sheltron5000 wrote:I think the only thing that would surprise me about biglaw right now would be actually getting a job...


and that's why we attend the public interest symposium.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby sjsteece » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:34 pm

favorite professors?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby matt386 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:39 pm

sjsteece wrote:favorite professors?


Last semester, Rossi and Dorf, who are two of the best I've ever had.

Not really sure yet this semester after one week, but I'm pretty high on Clermont.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby como » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:03 pm

sjsteece wrote:favorite professors?


They are all awesome. Prepare to get your mind worked.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby matt386 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:17 pm

como wrote:
sjsteece wrote:favorite professors?


They are all awesome. Prepare to get your mind worked.


+1 to that too

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby paraducks » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:22 pm

matt386 wrote:
como wrote:
sjsteece wrote:favorite professors?


They are all awesome. Prepare to get your mind worked.


+1 to that too


i respectfully dissent.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby neskerdoo » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:37 pm

paraducks wrote:
matt386 wrote:
como wrote:
sjsteece wrote:favorite professors?


They are all awesome. Prepare to get your mind worked.


+1 to that too


i respectfully dissent.



who sucks?

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby kn6542 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:19 pm

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby fsohn » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:16 pm

paraducks wrote:
matt386 wrote:
como wrote:
sjsteece wrote:favorite professors?


They are all awesome. Prepare to get your mind worked.


+1 to that too


i respectfully dissent.



Perhaps the objection is to "get[ting ] your mind worked." Not too much of that happens.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby panda » Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:39 pm

i have yet to have a professor that hasn't "worked my mind" or that has sucked..
but i have heard complaints..

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby neskerdoo » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:55 pm

oh, fsohn is just bitter and jaded... don't mind our resident curmudgeon

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby fsohn » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:03 pm

I take the title of curmudgeon with pride.

I'll also say that lawyers and law students don't really think differently from other people--they just like to believe they do, so as to cling helplessly to some once-meaningful social role. If you can think, you can be a lawyer--that's the simple truth.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby sjsteece » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:50 pm

Clearly you've never met Kevin from the paper chase. :wink:

Please note: horror stories about professor/classes are also welcome. Mess with our 0L minds a little more.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby como » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:18 pm

sjsteece wrote:Clearly you've never met Kevin from the paper chase. :wink:

Please note: horror stories about professor/classes are also welcome. Mess with our 0L minds a little more.


Had a certain professor ask someone the facts of a case. Student 1 said 'pass'. He moved to the person behind him. Student 2 said 'I didn't really understand this case...' Professor replied 'I suggest you don't go into antitrust law', then proceeded to flip hastily through about 20 slides in all of 90 seconds and tell us class was over, unless we had any questions.

We all did.

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby sheltron5000 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:35 pm

I think the worst I've had so far are professors who are a little too nice to really use the socratic effectively.

One of my favorites told jokes about sodomizing parrots...

como wrote:
sjsteece wrote:Clearly you've never met Kevin from the paper chase. :wink:

Please note: horror stories about professor/classes are also welcome. Mess with our 0L minds a little more.


Had a certain professor ask someone the facts of a case. Student 1 said 'pass'. He moved to the person behind him. Student 2 said 'I didn't really understand this case...' Professor replied 'I suggest you don't go into antitrust law', then proceeded to flip hastily through about 20 slides in all of 90 seconds and tell us class was over, unless we had any questions.

We all did.


Wasn't something like 90% of that final based on that one day too? (This is, by enormous leaps and bounds, the worst behavior I've heard of from a professor here).

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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Postby masterthearts » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:47 pm

IHeartIthaca wrote:Seems like these kinds of threads are popular. Fire away :)

Obviously, I don't know much about law school yet, and can't tell you how to succeed, but I'll tell you what I can.


Cornell undergrad here with 3.8 GPA, History major. I would love to get into cornell law, even though I'm sick of the freezing weather. I wonder if they give preference to cornell undergrads.
Just curious




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