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OakBrook2021 wrote:Is there any tangible difference in NY placement between Cornell and NYU/Columbia? The numbers seem pretty similar; is it just marginally harder/impossible to get into some of the more "prestigious" firms (i.e. WLRK, S&C, CSM, DPW etc.)?
I'd say this is pretty accurate. There are also some weird differences where some firms just hire more people from certain schools, regardless of rank/prestige. Some prestigious clerkships are also harder to come by, although Cornell is getting better on the clerkship front.
Would just add that it's not "impossible" to get any firm from Cornell.
I agree. But, for example, WLRK has one associate who is a Cornell Law grad and 14 Columbia Law grads, so there's at least a material difference if you absolutely have
to work there.
Less of a difference for CSM, S&C, DPW etc.
Edited to avoid the appearance that I work at WLRK; I am not the lone Cornell associate.
Yeah, WLRK is the one that's closest to being "impossible," but even they have made offers recently; people have just not accepted. And wanted to make sure it was clear that it's definitely not impossible to get any of the other firms mentioned.
Back in my day, some boutiques were essentially impossible to get from Cornell. Has that changed? I know Kellogg Hansen is about half-Cornell now but, other than that oddity, what about places like Susman, Keker, etc.?
Afaik, Susman still doesn't have a Cornell grad besides a partner in the Seattle office. But they just had their reception tonight, and I came away from it with the impression that they would be open to hiring any of us Cornell people. Of course, a big obstacle with the lit boutique hiring is getting the prestigious clerkships that serve as a de facto prerequisite. Most of the Susman NY associates have 2d Cir./SDNY. As you noted, getting prestigious clerkships from Cornell was pretty difficult, but it's been getting better, and there were about 7 of us at the reception. At the very least, I'm confident that certain Cornell grads in my class could get hired at Susman if they applied.
Keker is trickier to say, because now you need a top Cornell grad with prestigious clerkships who wants to work in SF. Honestly don't know anyone who fits that criteria. I know I'm not going to bother applying.