Georgia State U Law

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Connelly
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Connelly » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:36 pm

UGA2010 wrote:Any suggestions on whether to sight up for Day Only classes or Day/Evening classes as a full time student? An associate dean at the reception recommended taking day/evening because of the smaller class sizes, but I'm under the impression that then you have to register for day AND evening classes,and I don't know if that would be inconvenient or something.


For 1L classes, I don't know if there is a significant difference in class size. We still have 70+ students in the 1L evening courses, so I'm not sure if that information is accurate. Perhaps there is more of a difference in your 2L and 3L courses. They're generally looking for FT students to take some evening classes, so that may have motivated the suggestion.

Connelly
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Connelly » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:12 pm

Very nice to see another bump in the rankings. Not that it will change being ranked lower than UGA and higher than Mercer, but it's still nice.

However, the part-time rankings need some help. #41? With an LSAT range in the top 5 or so? Seriously? The assessment portion was pretty bad, but it looks like we were hammered on the exclusivity statistic or whatever it's called as well.

inalilwhile
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby inalilwhile » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:19 pm

Does anyone know when the new law building will be ready??

Any hope that this fall's 1Ls will ever get to be in it?

ugawarrent
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby ugawarrent » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:26 pm

inalilwhile wrote:Does anyone know when the new law building will be ready??

Any hope that this fall's 1Ls will ever get to be in it?


no way, not a chance. Probably 2014-15 at the earliest. They changed the plans in the last year to now involve constructing a new building on a different site than the original plan called for...

papatel
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby papatel » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:59 pm

Has anyone gotten their Panthercard, figured out parking, or even sent in their final transcript? Cause I haven't done any of those.

Jesw
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Jesw » Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:41 pm

You apparently don't get your panther card until orientation and you can't get parking until the first day of class...

ugawarrent
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby ugawarrent » Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:13 pm

Jesw is right. See here for parking information: http://www.gsu.edu/auxiliary/29814.html.
Be sure to visit the "parking registration system" link to "register" your car before you try to show up and try to get a parking pass. If you're not registered, they'll tell you to go away and come back later...

The Law School Orientation webpage has a lot of information on this type of stuff. Go there and read everything--twice.

mbutterfly
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby mbutterfly » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:19 pm

Are ga state law grads getting jobs? I cannot find any numbers for hiring, salaries, etc. They're all out of date.

Connelly
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Connelly » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:53 pm

mbutterfly wrote:Are ga state law grads getting jobs? I cannot find any numbers for hiring, salaries, etc. They're all out of date.


I can't help beyond saying that I know of students with paying summer gigs (some at firms and another in-house). I don't know enough 3L's to comment besides that. I don't go through OCI until this fall. I wish I could be more helpful, but I also didn't want you to feel ignored. :lol:

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby sarahd » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:29 pm

mbutterfly wrote:Are ga state law grads getting jobs? I cannot find any numbers for hiring, salaries, etc. They're all out of date.


I had dinner with several big law attorneys who are friends in May and one of them was told that the #2 in the graduating class had yet to secure employment. Another said that those looking for big law were sorely disappointed, those looking for government, PI or other fields seemed to have done fine according to news on the street. Not sure if these are accurate and are certainly anecdotal, but it is interesting.

mbutterfly
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby mbutterfly » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:48 pm

Thank you for your help! Also, are any other 1Ls (presently 0Ls) doing any summer prepping or reading anything before school begins.

Jesw
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Jesw » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:47 pm

Can anyone explain what time I should get there on Monday morning to secure a pass in M Deck? I was told I have to arrive early and just wait in line and HOPE I get a parking pass...
I know they open at 8am, but should I get there at like 6 to make sure I get one? Or is there not really a demand?

ugawarrent
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby ugawarrent » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:10 pm

Jesw wrote:Can anyone explain what time I should get there on Monday morning to secure a pass in M Deck? I was told I have to arrive early and just wait in line and HOPE I get a parking pass...
I know they open at 8am, but should I get there at like 6 to make sure I get one? Or is there not really a demand?


To get an M or Lofts deck pass, you should probably get there by 6 or 7am, yes. There will be a long line, and they basically hand out "coupons" to come back and get your pass later. But just a note: you by no means have to have an M-deck pass; there are other options that are just fine.

I have a classmate who was eligible for a guaranteed pass (based on a particular student leadership position) and who declined because he estimated it would ultimately be more expensive than paying to park each time. The "Budget card" is a stored value parking pass that allows you to save $1 per entry during the day (so $3.50 during "main" hours). If you only enter once per day every day then that adds up to be being *that* much more than the M-deck pass. The pay-per-park lots (N and S) are also marginally closer to the law school than M-deck. Finally, although G-deck, which is very close to the law school, is only for facult & staff during the day, students can part there for $2.25 after 4pm and for free on the weekends.

Personally, I like M deck because I can come and go as I please--I can go home for dinner and come back if I need to. I still park in G on the weekends a good bit though.

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby mbutterfly » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:35 pm

Do I have to wait in line on Monday, August 16th to get S, K, or N deck parking?

ugawarrent
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby ugawarrent » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:11 pm

mbutterfly wrote:Do I have to wait in line on Monday, August 16th to get S, K, or N deck parking?


Nope, you just pay to get in. There may be a line for getting a student parking pass/hang tag or the stored value "budget card," both of which reduce the amount you have to pay, but they're not required just to pay and park.

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby poil28 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:43 am

I've got a question that's dumb, but please spare an incoming 1L-- is there an unspoken dress code at GSU Law-- like would I feel out of place if I showed up on first day of class wearing jeans and flip flops? For first year Orientation we were told to dress in business casual, is that the typical dress of all law students during the rest of the year? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby ugawarrent » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:00 am

Everyone dresses differently, but mostly very casual. The one piece of advice I'll give is that you are *always* building your reputation as a lawyer. So, don't dress in a way that will harm your reputation, or give a kind of reputation you don't want. There are very few outfits that fall into this category--don't dress like you're going out to the club that night or wear your PJs.

As for orientation, people generally dressed a little nicer, though don't be the person who wears a suit.

The only other caution is if you have night classes you'll be there with people who've mostly been working during the day. So you may feel more comfortable if you're dressed a little more like them. But everyone is different in that regard...

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Connelly » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:01 am

poil28 wrote:I've got a question that's dumb, but please spare an incoming 1L-- is there an unspoken dress code at GSU Law-- like would I feel out of place if I showed up on first day of class wearing jeans and flip flops? For first year Orientation we were told to dress in business casual, is that the typical dress of all law students during the rest of the year? Thanks in advance.


No, that is not the typical dress. Class is pretty much anything goes. You will see a lot of people in suits/business dress since people will be coming from and going to other things (work, clinics, interviews, etc.), but the average student dresses pretty casually.

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby ugawarrent » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:04 am

Connelly wrote:No, that is not the typical dress. Class is pretty much anything goes.


And Connelly is one of those folks that is coming from work, so if he says anything goes, go for it.

I still maintain you shouldn't dress like a hoochie, shouldn't wear dirty or smelly clothes, and other "duh"-type guidelines. Be comfortable; don't make others uncomfortable with what you wear.

Connelly
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Connelly » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:19 am

ugawarrent wrote:
Connelly wrote:No, that is not the typical dress. Class is pretty much anything goes.


And Connelly is one of those folks that is coming from work, so if he says anything goes, go for it.

I still maintain you shouldn't dress like a hoochie, shouldn't wear dirty or smelly clothes, and other "duh"-type guidelines. Be comfortable; don't make others uncomfortable with what you wear.


Haha, yes, if I have class and I don't have to work that day, I will generally come dressed fairly casually, but consider what ugawarrent said - you don't want to draw negative attention to yourself with how you dress. Feel free to dress casually, but don't look like a slob or like you're about to go pick up a trick down the street (assuming these are not the images you wish to portray). :lol:

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby mbutterfly » Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:16 pm

Do the majority of students at GSU take notes on their laptop or by hand, assuming they take notes during class?

Connelly
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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Connelly » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:46 pm

mbutterfly wrote:Do the majority of students at GSU take notes on their laptop or by hand, assuming they take notes during class?


I take evening courses, so there may be a different ratio during the day, but I would say most use laptops. However, there is a large group that takes notes by hand. Maybe 60-70% on laptops? Not quite sure.

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby poil28 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:26 pm

Thanks for answering my clothing question, guys :)

Couple more questions I've got:

1. Orientation for 1Ls starts tomorrow, and it seems on all 3 days, scheduled events will end around 6:00 PM. How bad is the downtown traffic around that time? When does downtown really start getting congested on a typical evening, and when in the morning/mid-morning does traffic also get really bad? (I'm not planing on skipping Orientation events to avoid traffic, but after Orientation I am interested in how to schedule getting in and out of downtown around the worst traffic when I can.)

Or do you know a lot of students who just take the MARTA?

2. I've heard from current law students that the majority of GSU Law students, while friendly, are sort of go-to-class, go-home... that there really is no "community" because everyone's a commuter, lots of people already have families and jobs to get to outside of class, so it's not easy to really "connect" on a personal level. How true is that? How much of a downside is that?

3. Would you categorize GSU Law's atmosphere as particularly competitive or cutthroat?

4. Now for a different kind of "cutthroat"-- being it's in downtown Atlanta, is safety something you actively worry about? Any advice on certain places on and around campus that have an especially bad rep/ certain times it's best to start hauling out of the GSU area? What's the campus security presence like?

I'm sure many of my questions are naive, but my undergrad was the polar opposite of GSU (small, liberal arts, nestled in a middle class residential area, basically everyone knew each other and lived on campus, etc) and so going from there to downtown Atlanta is a pretty big environmental change.

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby Connelly » Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:52 pm

poil28 wrote:1. Orientation for 1Ls starts tomorrow, and it seems on all 3 days, scheduled events will end around 6:00 PM. How bad is the downtown traffic around that time? When does downtown really start getting congested on a typical evening, and when in the morning/mid-morning does traffic also get really bad? (I'm not planing on skipping Orientation events to avoid traffic, but after Orientation I am interested in how to schedule getting in and out of downtown around the worst traffic when I can.)


Traffic is still fairly heavy that time of evening, depending on the direction you're going and on whether or not you're going to need to get on an interstate. What area of town are you living in (or where will you be headed after orientation)? We can give you some more specific suggestions depending on where you're going.

Or do you know a lot of students who just take the MARTA?


This is the category I fall into, so others can probably help with traffic more. Most students seem to drive, but several of us take MARTA (the train, that is - I don't know anyone who rides the bus) or walk.

2. I've heard from current law students that the majority of GSU Law students, while friendly, are sort of go-to-class, go-home... that there really is no "community" because everyone's a commuter, lots of people already have families and jobs to get to outside of class, so it's not easy to really "connect" on a personal level. How true is that? How much of a downside is that?


That is partially true. Everyone is busy. 1/3 of the students are PT students that have work, families, etc., and so they're usually not going to spend a ton of time hanging around. The area itself is also not very conducive to having students hang out for long periods of time. A lot of the nearby businesses and restaurants don't have great night and/or weekend hours, and crime is a concern (more on that later). There also is not a lot of housing right near the law school, although there is some within walking distance, so most students have to commute.

If you're an introvert, no one is going to force a ton of socialization on you, but you can DEFINITELY seek it out. You will, as with any law school (I assume), become close to at least a small group of students in your section during 1L. Find a study group and enjoy it. But you can certainly branch out beyond that. There are the usual organizations you can join, and the SBA puts on several events throughout the year. I can't speak to the life of a FT student as much, but even us old PT students enjoy some socialization. Several of us PT students started to go out on Thursday evenings after classes on a weekly basis, and it grew to include several FT students as well. We usually have a group of 10-20 people any given week. Feel free to PM me, and I can connect with you on Facebook and direct you to the page we created for our Thursday night outings.

3. Would you categorize GSU Law's atmosphere as particularly competitive or cutthroat?


No. Are there some students that might be? Sure, but most hide it pretty well. Everyone seems extremely willing to help others.

4. Now for a different kind of "cutthroat"-- being it's in downtown Atlanta, is safety something you actively worry about? Any advice on certain places on and around campus that have an especially bad rep/ certain times it's best to start hauling out of the GSU area? What's the campus security presence like?


There is crime in the area, and you do need to be careful. During weekdays, I would say there isn't much to worry about since there are so many people (GSU law & undergrad students, office employees, etc.) milling about. I would be more concerned with homeless people and/or some crazy Grady people during the day. After nightfall, yes, definitely be careful, and I would strongly suggest not going anywhere alone. Every month or two, we'll get a campus security alert about a mugging or possibly a shooting. I have never had a problem, but I'm a bit larger than most people, walk quickly, and am pretty alert. You will occasionally see a security guard, but the important thing to remember is that you can always call for a security escort, so definitely take advantage of that if you feel uncomfortable at all. Those of us that walk to MARTA after evening classes try to do so in a group.

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Re: Georgia State U Law

Postby mbutterfly » Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:02 pm

How much/often does a GSU 1L usually study (preferably in terms of each class)? 1 hour per class per day?




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