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Re: COMMON 0L QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,etc

Postby whattodo2008 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:53 pm

cutiewiddlebebe wrote:
dakatz wrote:
JSUVA2012 wrote:
dakatz wrote:I feel like a douche asking this question, because I told myself I wouldn't waste my 0L summer, but if I were to pick up one or two E&E books over the summer months, is it important to get the newest edition? Or are they pretty much very similar?


Don't. Just don't.


To be honest, that's what I was hoping to hear. I think I'll spend more time planning a nice vacation instead :)

Have a nice vacation, but know that you are in direct competition with people like me. Here is my OL reading list:

Have Read:
1. Getting to Maybe (x2)
2. Law School Insider
3. Law School Confidential (x2)
4. Elements of Style
5. A History of American Law
6. LEEWS
7. Learning Legal Reasoning
8. The Redbook: A Manual on Legal Style
9. The Elements of Legal Style

To Read:
1. Thinking Like a Lawyer: A New Introduction to Legal Reasoning
2. Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student
3. Legal Writing in Plain English: A Text With Exercises
4. Understanding Criminal Law
5. Constitutional Law: Principles And Policies
6. The Law of Torts: Examples & Explan​ations
7. Civil Procedure Examples & Explan​ations
8. Concepts And Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
9. [Some book on property; to be determined]


"Have a nice vacation, but know that you are in direct competition with people like me."

wow. you sound like a douche.

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Re: COMMON 0L QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,etc

Postby engineer » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:58 pm

cutiewiddlebebe wrote:
dakatz wrote:
JSUVA2012 wrote:
dakatz wrote:I feel like a douche asking this question, because I told myself I wouldn't waste my 0L summer, but if I were to pick up one or two E&E books over the summer months, is it important to get the newest edition? Or are they pretty much very similar?


Don't. Just don't.


To be honest, that's what I was hoping to hear. I think I'll spend more time planning a nice vacation instead :)

Have a nice vacation, but know that you are in direct competition with people like me. Here is my OL reading list:

Have Read:
1. Getting to Maybe (x2)
2. Law School Insider
3. Law School Confidential (x2)
4. Elements of Style
5. A History of American Law
6. LEEWS
7. Learning Legal Reasoning
8. The Redbook: A Manual on Legal Style
9. The Elements of Legal Style

To Read:
1. Thinking Like a Lawyer: A New Introduction to Legal Reasoning
2. Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student
3. Legal Writing in Plain English: A Text With Exercises
4. Understanding Criminal Law
5. Constitutional Law: Principles And Policies
6. The Law of Torts: Examples & Explan​ations
7. Civil Procedure Examples & Explan​ations
8. Concepts And Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
9. [Some book on property; to be determined]


Wow...um...good luck making friends as a 1L. And before you fire back that the number of friends you have isn't included in the decision making process for law review or OCI or anything that "matters," you should realize that if you're a complete douche, no one is going to help you. Hell, you'd probably have trouble getting a letter of recommendation, because professors even despise people like you.

If you want to read during summer, here's my suggestion since you may have missed out on some of these in the past:

Making Friends
The Unwritten Rules of Friendship
Raising a Left-Brain Child in a Right-Brain World: Strategies for Helping Bright, Quirky, Socially Awkward Children to Thrive at Home and at School
Managing Difficult People: Proven Strategies to Deal with Awkwardness in Business Situations

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Postby kimber1028 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:08 am

engineer wrote:
cutiewiddlebebe wrote:Have a nice vacation, but know that you are in direct competition with people like me. Here is my 0L reading list:

Have Read:
1. Getting to Maybe (x2)
2. lawl skool Insider
3. lawl skool Confidential (x2)
4. Elements of Style
5. A History of American Law
6. LEEWS
7. Learning Legal Reasoning
8. The Redbook: A Manual on Legal Style
9. The Elements of Legal Style

To Read:
1. Thinking Like a Lawyer: A New Introduction to Legal Reasoning
2. Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student
3. Legal Writing in Plain English: A Text With Exercises
4. Understanding Criminal Law
5. Constitutional Law: Principles And Policies
6. The Law of Torts: Examples & Explan​ations
7. Civil Procedure Examples & Explan​ations
8. Concepts And Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
9. [Some book on property; to be determined]


Wow...um...good luck making friends as a 1L. And before you fire back that the number of friends you have isn't included in the decision making process for law review or OCI or anything that "matters," you should realize that if you're a complete douche, no one is going to help you. Hell, you'd probably have trouble getting a letter of recommendation, because professors even despise people like you.

If you want to read during summer, here's my suggestion since you may have missed out on some of these in the past:

Making Friends
The Unwritten Rules of Friendship
Raising a Left-Brain Child in a Right-Brain World: Strategies for Helping Bright, Quirky, Socially Awkward Children to Thrive at Home and at School
Managing Difficult People: Proven Strategies to Deal with Awkwardness in Business Situations


Engineer, best TLS post I've seen in awhile. :lol: Thank you for that.

Cutiewiddlebebe, don't be ridiculous. You are going to school with fantastically intelligent people. There will be plenty who do no reading over the summer and land at the top of the class. GTM? Sure. LSC? Great. Your laundry list of unnecessary books? Terrible. Stop looking for the golden ticket and learn to network; it sounds like you could use some practice, and who you know (and get along with) is really just as important as how you do academically. Grades just get you the interview... personality is the key to landing the job.

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Postby rando » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:25 am

betasteve wrote:
Have Read:
1. Getting to Maybe (x2)
2. lawl skool Insider
3. lawl skool Confidential (x2)
4. Elements of Style
5. A History of American Law
6. LEEWS
7. Learning Legal Reasoning
8. The Redbook: A Manual on Legal Style
9. The Elements of Legal Style

To Read:
1. Thinking Like a Lawyer: A New Introduction to Legal Reasoning
2. Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student
3. Legal Writing in Plain English: A Text With Exercises
4. Understanding Criminal Law
5. Constitutional Law: Principles And Policies
6. The Law of Torts: Examples & Explan​ations
7. Civil Procedure Examples & Explan​ations
8. Concepts And Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts
9. [Some book on property; to be determined]


10:1 this guy will be at or near the bottom of his class. Other 0Ls should be hoping to go to school with this guy. Seriously.


Not to be that guy... but well, i guess to be that guy. I think you mean something closer to 2:1 odds this guy will be at/near the bottom of the class. Since I know that is what you meant, I shall credit you sir.

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Postby leraa6587 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:44 am

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Re: COMMON noel QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,et

Postby 98234872348 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:46 am

betasteve wrote:
rando wrote:
10:1 this guy will be at or near the bottom of his class. Other 0Ls should be hoping to go to school with this guy. Seriously.


Not to be that guy... but well, i guess to be that guy. I think you mean something closer to 2:1 odds this guy will be at/near the bottom of the class. Since I know that is what you meant, I shall credit you sir.

Huh? No... 10:1.

+1, burn out ftl.

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Re: COMMON noel QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,et

Postby rando » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:36 pm

betasteve wrote:
rando wrote:
10:1 this guy will be at or near the bottom of his class. Other 0Ls should be hoping to go to school with this guy. Seriously.


Not to be that guy... but well, i guess to be that guy. I think you mean something closer to 2:1 odds this guy will be at/near the bottom of the class. Since I know that is what you meant, I shall credit you sir.

Huh? No... 10:1.


10% chance he'll be at the bottom? what am I missing?

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Postby eldizknee » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:02 pm

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Re: COMMON noel QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,et

Postby rando » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:05 pm

betasteve wrote:I am saying it is 10 times more likely he will be at bottom of class than not... that's 10:1 odds.


From some dumbass poker pott odds website. But it was the first thing that came up. And for the record, I am quite weary of getting pwned by betasteve as he shellacked me in a PJ dispute with a 0L in another thread. So take this!!

The quickest and best way to do this is to say 'How many times will the percentage divide into 100'. 40% will divide into 100 2.5 times so the odds are 2.5:1.

This works for ALL precentages, a harder example would be say 37%, which will divide into 100 2.702702 times. Obviously this is not practical to do in ur head so if u remember that 33% goes in 3 times, u can see that anything slightly above this will make odds slightly below 3:1. To be honest, could u calculate a 37% odd while sat in a game? Probably not, as long as u know a rough percentage, u can divide it into 100 and get ur odds.

Further examples:
10% - 10:1
20% - 5:1
50% - 2:1
90% - 1.1:1

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Postby engineer » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:33 pm

rando wrote:
betasteve wrote:I am saying it is 10 times more likely he will be at bottom of class than not... that's 10:1 odds.


From some dumbass poker pott odds website. But it was the first thing that came up. And for the record, I am quite weary of getting pwned by betasteve as he shellacked me in a PJ dispute with a 0L in another thread. So take this!!

The quickest and best way to do this is to say 'How many times will the percentage divide into 100'. 40% will divide into 100 2.5 times so the odds are 2.5:1.

This works for ALL precentages, a harder example would be say 37%, which will divide into 100 2.702702 times. Obviously this is not practical to do in ur head so if u remember that 33% goes in 3 times, u can see that anything slightly above this will make odds slightly below 3:1. To be honest, could u calculate a 37% odd while sat in a game? Probably not, as long as u know a rough percentage, u can divide it into 100 and get ur odds.

Further examples:
10% - 10:1
20% - 5:1
50% - 2:1
90% - 1.1:1


I will destroy any of you in poker.

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Postby itsmytime10 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:40 pm

tag

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Re: COMMON noel QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,et

Postby rando » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:53 pm

betasteve wrote:
Either case... let's just say his chances are really high that he will end up in the bottom part of his class.


Haha. i was just thinking how wonderful this place is because we argue about things like the odds of this guy getting owned in LS.

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Re: COMMON 0L QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,etc

Postby mikeytwoshoes » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:38 pm

http://michaeldorf.org/civ%20pro%20exam%20fall%2006.pdf

Good civ pro fact pattern and 4 questions.

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Re: COMMON 0L QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,etc

Postby chango » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:48 pm

Broad Generalization:

1L performance is inversely predictive to one's expectations.

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Postby engineer » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:09 pm

chango wrote:Broad Generalization:

1L performance is inversely predictive to one's expectations.


95% of the time it is. We don't all get to be top 5%.

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Postby lawschoolgiant » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:19 pm

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Postby mikeytwoshoes » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:58 pm

lawschoolgiant wrote:tag

It's fucking sticky at the top of the fucking forum for fucking law school students.

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Re: COMMON 0L QUESTIONS books, study guides, E&Es, studying,etc

Postby cutiewiddlebebe » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:47 pm

I still can't find the consensus on the best supplement for Property. Any guidance?

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Postby RVP11 » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:08 pm

cutiewiddlebebe wrote:I still can't find the consensus on the best supplement for Property. Any guidance?


Understanding is good, if almost too in depth. Similar to the Dressler for CrimLaw.

If you are using the Dukeminier casebook, the Emanuel that's keyed to it is excellent.

The E&E is pretty average.

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Postby letsgo » Mon May 10, 2010 4:28 pm

Good Info.

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Postby ohmy212 » Mon May 10, 2010 5:06 pm

letsgo wrote:Good Info.

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Postby Paichka » Fri May 14, 2010 1:24 pm

It's interesting to come back and read these threads after 1L year. I was one of those "what can studying hurt?" people, and I bought a bunch of E&Es, etc to read before school. I'd been out of college a few years, thought reading might be useful to get my brain back in student mode.

I made it through approximately 1 chapter of the Civ Pro E&E before I went, "F this noise" and spent the summer hanging out with my daughter and husband (before he deployed). I'm REALLY glad I decided to do that. First, because I don't think I would've retained anything that I read, and second, because my professors almost uniformly wanted different things than were focused on in the supplements. I actually ended up buying a different supplement for two of my classes because the one I'd originally gotten wasn't helpful given my professor's focus.

I'm now firmly in the "for the love of god, wait until you get to school" bandwagon. Meet your professors and get a sense of how they're going to teach the class -- if they're extremely methodical and focus each class on teaching you the BLL, you probably won't need a supplement (that was my contracts professor) but might want to focus instead on doing a ton of practice exams for practice issue spotting. If they're wacky and policy oriented (like my torts, and later my property prof) then you will likely need the supplement to teach you the BLL you aren't getting in class. If they've written a hornbook in the subject, buy that one (my civ pro professor -- I parrotted back nuances he mentioned in his hornbook, and he decided I was a genius. Not at all warranted, but I'll take what I can get). I ended up with a 3.89 for first semester...grades aren't back for second semester, but I followed the same strategy.

MOST importantly, I'd go to the library and take a look at the supplements before you buy any of them. For second semester, I went to the library and read the relevant sections of various supplements for my classes, trying to decide which one I liked best. After about a week, I had a good grasp of which ones were going to be most helpful for my classes, and those are the ones I bought. I know a lot of people swear by the E&Es, but I didn't find them all that helpful except in Civ Pro. YMMV. I thought the Understanding series was the best...I used them for Contracts, Property, Crim, Torts and Civ Pro. I used the Chemirensky hornbook for Conlaw I (my professor worships the man).

Good luck to everyone starting school this fall! DON'T waste your summer. Seriously. If you care enough to troll this forum, you care enough to put the work in to do well. :)

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Postby damplatz » Sat May 15, 2010 6:28 pm

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Postby KeepitKind » Mon May 24, 2010 3:31 pm

i concur




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