So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:47 pm

SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby 20170322 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:56 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?


I love reading/writing/debating/studying policy/being around people smarter than I am. I want to be a lawyer because it seems to involve some of these interests, and because I have no job skills.

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby zot1 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:00 pm

SweetTort wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?


I love reading/writing/debating/studying policy/being around people smarter than I am. I want to be a lawyer because it seems to involve some of these interests, and because I have no job skills.


In that case, don't become a lawyer :lol:

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:01 pm

njames1961 wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:
njames1961 wrote:Thanks a lot, I appreciate both of your responses. Definitely needed a pick me up...


As said earlier, take the biggest scholarship you get. What you'll want is career flexibility, which requires financial freedom. Don't pay sticker or close to it anywhere.


But for certain positions like a fed clerkship/competitive fellowship for example, would it not be worthwhile to spend the extra $ for the higher likelihood of getting one at a higher ranked school? Like UChicago vs. Northwestern?


Depends how much money and which schools you are comparing. Rarely is the difference between two good schools worth many tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby Npret » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:03 pm

SweetTort wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?
r

I love reading/writing/debating/studying policy/being around people smarter than I am. I want to be a lawyer because it seems to involve some of these interests, and because I have no job skills.


There are thousands of jobs out there. Don't go to law because of a failure of imagination or initiative to find out something else. You are obviously very smart but you have to figure out what you want to do with your life.
This isn't the recession where no one could find a job.

All we can do is tell you what biglaw corporate practice is like. We can't figure out your dream job but for very, very few people is biglaw corporate practice the dream.
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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby 20170322 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:06 pm

Npret wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?
r

I love reading/writing/debating/studying policy/being around people smarter than I am. I want to be a lawyer because it seems to involve some of these interests, and because I have no job skills.


There are thousands of jobs out there. Don't go to law because of a failure of imagination or initiative to find out something else. You are obviously very smart but you have to figure out what you want to do with your life.


I'm definitely attending law school in the fall. My question is, if NYC biglaw sucks so much, what else is on the table?

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby smaug » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:09 pm

SweetTort wrote:
Npret wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?
r

I love reading/writing/debating/studying policy/being around people smarter than I am. I want to be a lawyer because it seems to involve some of these interests, and because I have no job skills.


There are thousands of jobs out there. Don't go to law because of a failure of imagination or initiative to find out something else. You are obviously very smart but you have to figure out what you want to do with your life.


I'm definitely attending law school in the fall. My question is, if NYC biglaw sucks so much, what else is on the table?


gubmint seems like a pretty good gig

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby Npret » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:10 pm

SweetTort wrote:
Npret wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?
r

I love reading/writing/debating/studying policy/being around people smarter than I am. I want to be a lawyer because it seems to involve some of these interests, and because I have no job skills.


There are thousands of jobs out there. Don't go to law because of a failure of imagination or initiative to find out something else. You are obviously very smart but you have to figure out what you want to do with your life.


I'm definitely attending law school in the fall
I My question is, if NYC biglaw sucks so much, what else is on the table?


It's basically the same answer. You have to figure out what you are interested in doing. There are many different career paths in law. Are you asking for a list? Why not start with your law school career office?

For what it's worth a therapist I know says he's only met one happy lawyer in more than 20 years of practice and she was a labor lawyer that worked for a nyc union.

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby zot1 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:20 pm

smaug wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
Npret wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?

What do you like to do? Why do you want to be a lawyer?
r

I love reading/writing/debating/studying policy/being around people smarter than I am. I want to be a lawyer because it seems to involve some of these interests, and because I have no job skills.


There are thousands of jobs out there. Don't go to law because of a failure of imagination or initiative to find out something else. You are obviously very smart but you have to figure out what you want to do with your life.


I'm definitely attending law school in the fall. My question is, if NYC biglaw sucks so much, what else is on the table?


gubmint seems like a pretty good gig


And that can sometimes be a crapshoot.

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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby tomwatts » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:31 am

SweetTort wrote:I'm definitely attending law school in the fall. My question is, if NYC biglaw sucks so much, what else is on the table?

A sampling off the top of my head:
* Biglaw anywhere else (Boston, DC, SF, LA, Chicago, etc. — Texas has a reputation for more livable biglaw than what's available in NYC)
* Government work of any kind — federal, state, or local, ranging from lit-heavy (e.g., prosecutor) to not-at-all lit-related (policy work, etc.) — be aware that at the local level a lot of this is outsourced, so there are law firms that actually do municipal law, for example — also, career clerk, especially for a state court judge
* Traditional public interest (e.g., ACLU, Public Citizen)
* Private public interest (plaintiffs' firms, union firms, etc.)
* Small-law and midlaw in practice areas that biglaw doesn't have (e.g., family law)

And that's just what comes to mind in a couple of minutes. Lawyers do a ton of things. NYC biglaw is not the only option.
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Re: So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate?

Postby notgreat » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:41 am

SweetTort wrote:But like... what's the alternative? I'm going to a t14 in the fall with minimal debt-- other than biglaw, what is a good path?


Smaug and tom watts answered your question I think. Also, I think corporate in NYC is awful, but I can't write off other big law practices in secondary markets.

I did want to give you some advice regarding debt. I attended a t14 anticipating minimal debt. It ended up ballooning to well over $100K because I took on way too much extra debt for partying and fun. If you really want to keep your options open set a reasonable budget and stick to it. Make sure to build in wriggle room for unexpected increases in tuition and fees and some fun. Will be easier if you are not going to Columbia/NYU/Chicago/Penn/ Georgetown.




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