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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby de minimis » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:25 pm

88234 wrote:Is there any sort of rationale behind what section we are placed into?


Gunners are usually placed in section 1. GLS in section 2. Weirdos in section 3. everything else is a crapshoot.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby usn26 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:56 pm

de minimis wrote:
88234 wrote:Is there any sort of rationale behind what section we are placed into?


Gunners are usually placed in section 1.


Common misconception. Abernathy turns otherwise potentially normal §1'ers into gunners.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby Hand » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:16 pm

de minimis wrote:
88234 wrote:Is there any sort of rationale behind what section we are placed into?


Gunners are usually placed in section 1. GLS in section 2. Weirdos in section 3. everything else is a crapshoot.

Section 4 is commonly known as the party section. It is a mystery why they put me in there.
No one is sure section 5 actually exists.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby ball is life » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm

usn26 wrote:
de minimis wrote:
88234 wrote:Is there any sort of rationale behind what section we are placed into?


Gunners are usually placed in section 1.


Common misconception. Abernathy turns otherwise potentially normal §1'ers into gunners.


Is this just because of cold calling or does he assign more reading than most civpro profs? I noticed that his is the only section that meets 3 times a week.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby ladybug1989 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:28 pm

Anyone know median GPA for Jones Day NY? That EIW gpa data spreadsheet doesn't have that information. Wondering if median/slightly below median (with very good experience) will be enough?

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby barkschool » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:51 pm

ladybug1989 wrote: (with very good experience)


lemme tell u about the time I was the captain of space shuttle challenger

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby Mr. Blackacre » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:45 pm

ball is life wrote:
usn26 wrote:
de minimis wrote:
88234 wrote:Is there any sort of rationale behind what section we are placed into?


Gunners are usually placed in section 1.


Common misconception. Abernathy turns otherwise potentially normal §1'ers into gunners.


Is this just because of cold calling or does he assign more reading than most civpro profs? I noticed that his is the only section that meets 3 times a week.


It's the cold calls. He's just very tough.

ladybug1989 wrote:Anyone know median GPA for Jones Day NY? That EIW gpa data spreadsheet doesn't have that information. Wondering if median/slightly below median (with very good experience) will be enough?


If I were to venture a guess, I'd say in the 3.35-3.40 range. You usually see a GPA difference of between .005 and .1 between the NY office and the DC office of most firms. Jones Day is not that grade-conscious, so I think you'd have a good shot at median. Below median gets harder.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby JuliusCaesar » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:22 am

If I'm MM for a market far-ish away, what do I say regarding my availability to interview? Or do I just leave that off and figure it out if contacted. Obviously I can fly out for an interview but if it is more than once or twice (if multiple firms get back to me) that likely wouldn't be possible.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby Anonnonnon » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:52 am

In regards to EIW and firms in general: Assuming all else is the same (pay, location, work [generally]), what matters more? Firm fit and personality, or "prestige?" In other words, what considerations would make one more valuable over the other?

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Postby barkschool » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:04 am

Anonnonnon wrote:In regards to EIW and firms in general: Assuming all else is the same (pay, location, work [generally]), what matters more? Firm fit and personality, or "prestige?" In other words, what considerations would make one more valuable over the other?


What do you place more importance in?

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Postby Anonnonnon » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:12 am

barkschool wrote:
Anonnonnon wrote:In regards to EIW and firms in general: Assuming all else is the same (pay, location, work [generally]), what matters more? Firm fit and personality, or "prestige?" In other words, what considerations would make one more valuable over the other?


What do you place more importance in?

I guess that's why I'm asking - I'm not exactly sure. Do both catagories offer roughly the same exit opportunities, should that need/desire arise? Which firms generally have better partner possibilities? I guess I'm asking what factors I should be weighing in order to make a properly informed decision on this matter.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby barkschool » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:27 am

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby SubmedianHomeskAlien » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:07 pm

What are some key 2L & 3L classes that one should try take if one is planning to pursue transactional law? Litigation?

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby Bobby_Axelrod » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:16 pm

SubmedianHomeskAlien wrote:What are some key 2L & 3L classes that one should try take if one is planning to pursue transactional law? Litigation?


Corporate Finance with Professor Sukhatme is probably the best transactional class I took at GULC. He's a great professor and the class touches on a range of subtopics within transactional law. Although, parts of the class are very math-based.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby usn26 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:33 pm

JuliusCaesar wrote:If I'm MM for a market far-ish away, what do I say regarding my availability to interview? Or do I just leave that off and figure it out if contacted. Obviously I can fly out for an interview but if it is more than once or twice (if multiple firms get back to me) that likely wouldn't be possible.


Idk if I ever put interview information into a CL. If you get a callback you can always turn it down (screeners would be over the phone/skype). Also school is pointless, take free trips to places.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby JuliusCaesar » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:08 pm

usn26 wrote:
JuliusCaesar wrote:If I'm MM for a market far-ish away, what do I say regarding my availability to interview? Or do I just leave that off and figure it out if contacted. Obviously I can fly out for an interview but if it is more than once or twice (if multiple firms get back to me) that likely wouldn't be possible.


Idk if I ever put interview information into a CL. If you get a callback you can always turn it down (screeners would be over the phone/skype). Also school is pointless, take free trips to places.

Ok thanks. I didn't know screeners over phone/skype are common.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby barkschool » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:56 pm

Bobby_Axelrod wrote:
SubmedianHomeskAlien wrote:What are some key 2L & 3L classes that one should try take if one is planning to pursue transactional law? Litigation?


Corporate Finance with Professor Sukhatme is probably the best transactional class I took at GULC. He's a great professor and the class touches on a range of subtopics within transactional law. Although, parts of the class are very math-based.


+1

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby ladybug1989 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:25 pm

Bobby_Axelrod wrote:
SubmedianHomeskAlien wrote:What are some key 2L & 3L classes that one should try take if one is planning to pursue transactional law? Litigation?


Corporate Finance with Professor Sukhatme is probably the best transactional class I took at GULC. He's a great professor and the class touches on a range of subtopics within transactional law. Although, parts of the class are very math-based.


How was the grade distribution?

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby Bobby_Axelrod » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:27 pm

ladybug1989 wrote:
Bobby_Axelrod wrote:
SubmedianHomeskAlien wrote:What are some key 2L & 3L classes that one should try take if one is planning to pursue transactional law? Litigation?


Corporate Finance with Professor Sukhatme is probably the best transactional class I took at GULC. He's a great professor and the class touches on a range of subtopics within transactional law. Although, parts of the class are very math-based.


How was the grade distribution?


A 15.15
A+ 1.52
A- 31.82
B 12.12
B+ 19.70
B- 4.55
P 15.15

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby Mr. Blackacre » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:49 pm

SubmedianHomeskAlien wrote:What are some key 2L & 3L classes that one should try take if one is planning to pursue transactional law? Litigation?


Would suggest:
- Evidence with the judges (Section 7 class, so late night, but worth it)
- A litigation-focused clinic (Criminal defense / justice, juvenile justice, Domestic Violence, LSIC)
- A trial ad class if you don't do clinic (though I can't recommend clinic enough)

Honestly, there aren't really that many "required" classes. I'd add Criminal Law to the list but you don't have to take it. Fed Courts is expected if you want to clerk, but plenty of people don't take it either. Evidence is crucial if you want to get into litigation, but that's more or less it. Clinic is just very useful at actually getting some experience in a courtroom, which there's a significant chance you won't get to do for at least several years afterwards if you go into private practice. And if you go into PI/prosecution, all the better since it's early training.

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby hegotmoneyyyyy » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:01 pm

Are the service projects during orientation week mandatory?

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby de minimis » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:25 pm

hegotmoneyyyyy wrote:Are the service projects during orientation week mandatory?


Nope

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby SubmedianHomeskAlien » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:07 pm

I'm pleased with my schedule so far, but I'm trying to round it out with one more class.

Any suggestions for one that's- uh, super ridiculously easy?

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby barkschool » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:49 pm

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Re: GULC Students Taking Questions

Postby BmoreOrLess » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:13 am

Bobby_Axelrod wrote:
SubmedianHomeskAlien wrote:What are some key 2L & 3L classes that one should try take if one is planning to pursue transactional law? Litigation?


Corporate Finance with Professor Sukhatme is probably the best transactional class I took at GULC. He's a great professor and the class touches on a range of subtopics within transactional law. Although, parts of the class are very math-based.


(Note: Not a practicing attorney yet, but) Tax II is actually really good for understanding the mechanics of M&A deals. I also found Teitelbaum's Deal Economics class helpful since you actually read through deal docs, but Capitol Idea can tell you whether that class is actually useful in practice.

Oh, I also found it useful to take one to two classes a semester strictly for GPA engeneering purposes.




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