Getting Paid for 1L summer

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Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby whereskyle » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:01 pm

What do firms pay you for during 1L SA? 1L's aren't attorneys. Is it basically paralegal work (I.e., research and writing and making calls)? Is it goodwill or a real investment of the firm in a future associate?

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby cfox17 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:36 pm

I haven't personally experienced it, I am starting law school in the Fall so I have just looked into the topic and talked to a few firms I am interested in working with. They pay during the summer and also, it seems like they hire their interns more then likely.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby whereskyle » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:56 pm

But why pay the interns?

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:59 pm

Law firms have to pay people that work there.
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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby sublime » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:59 pm

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:58 pm

whereskyle wrote:But why pay the interns?

Firm positions aren't internships, they're jobs.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby Hipster but Athletic » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:04 pm

An in-house legal job at a brokerage firm in NYC offered me $500 a week :lol: So just above minimum wage. Most small firms pay 20-25/hr from what I've seen, and big ones pay 50-80. Paying people like shit is generally bad business practice, and firms bill people out for way more than they pay them, so they don't need to pinch pennies.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby Cellar-door » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:49 pm

Top firms pay between $2K and $3K for 1Ls if they take them. NALP appears to be updating their salary information (that's why there is nothing there for most firms) but usually you can look up a firm there to get the exact number. Most anyone else who pays is paying $10-$15 an hour.

http://www.nalp.org/pre-law_timetable

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby whereskyle » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:59 pm

Thanks for the responses, everyone. I was under the false impression that firms were paying law students much more than that. Minimum wage makes better sense.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:09 pm

Cellar-door wrote:Top firms pay between $2K and $3K for 1Ls if they take them. NALP appears to be updating their salary information (that's why there is nothing there for most firms) but usually you can look up a firm there to get the exact number. Most anyone else who pays is paying $10-$15 an hour.

This means per week. SAs at top firms pay very well. It's not because law students can do work no one else can do, it's to get an early opportunity to connect with top students to hire after law school.

Very few firms do hire 1L SAs, though.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby Cellar-door » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:12 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Cellar-door wrote:Top firms pay between $2K and $3K for 1Ls if they take them. NALP appears to be updating their salary information (that's why there is nothing there for most firms) but usually you can look up a firm there to get the exact number. Most anyone else who pays is paying $10-$15 an hour.

This means per week. SAs at top firms pay very well. It's not because law students can do work no one else can do, it's to get an early opportunity to connect with top students to hire after law school.

Very few firms do hire 1L SAs, though.


Yeah, sorry for not qualifying that, I did mean per week.
Of course getting those few available jobs is brutal.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby whereskyle » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:15 pm

Basically, top of your class at T14 Fall Semester 1L, you may get one of the sweetest deals? Do Spring grades factor in at all?

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby Cellar-door » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:41 pm

whereskyle wrote:Basically, top of your class at T14 Fall Semester 1L, you may get one of the sweetest deals? Do Spring grades factor in at all?

Nope, 1L hiring for firms is Feb and Mar.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:50 pm

Are 1L SA gigs even a thing outside of Texas?

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby gaud » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:52 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
whereskyle wrote:But why pay the interns?

Firm positions aren't internships, they're jobs.


Yup. In AZ I made good dough during 1L summer internship/SA

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby gaud » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:54 pm

gaud wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
whereskyle wrote:But why pay the interns?

Firm positions aren't internships, they're jobs.


Yup. In AZ I made good dough during 1L summer internship/SA


Admittedly, many of my classmates were unpaid for theirs. Just got lucky I guess

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby sublime » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:54 pm

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby gaud » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:55 pm

sublime wrote:
kalvano wrote:Are 1L SA gigs even a thing outside of Texas?



There seem to be some here, in StL, even though they are heavily diversity based. We even have a 1L OCI.


1L OCI? Lol that's crazy

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby brotherdarkness » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:58 pm

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby sublime » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:00 am

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby hookem7 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:17 am

I worked in-house at a public company and got paid pretty well, although not at big firm levels.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby BlueLotus » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:20 am

kalvano wrote:Law firms have to pay people that work there.


i've def seen symplicity postings for "volunteer" positions at for-profit firms, ugh. :? a buddy of mine worked at an immigration boutique firm for free her 1L summer.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby kalvano » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:43 am

BlueLotus wrote:
kalvano wrote:Law firms have to pay people that work there.


i've def seen symplicity postings for "volunteer" positions at for-profit firms, ugh. :? a buddy of mine worked at an immigration boutique firm for free her 1L summer.


They aren't supposed to but since when has that stopped anyone?

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby BlueLotus » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:44 am

kalvano wrote:
BlueLotus wrote:
kalvano wrote:Law firms have to pay people that work there.


i've def seen symplicity postings for "volunteer" positions at for-profit firms, ugh. :? a buddy of mine worked at an immigration boutique firm for free her 1L summer.


They aren't supposed to but since when has that stopped anyone?


yeah, i'm kinda disgusted my law school would give such firms a platform.

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Re: Getting Paid for 1L summer

Postby 09042014 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:28 am

kalvano wrote:
BlueLotus wrote:
kalvano wrote:Law firms have to pay people that work there.


i've def seen symplicity postings for "volunteer" positions at for-profit firms, ugh. :? a buddy of mine worked at an immigration boutique firm for free her 1L summer.


They aren't supposed to but since when has that stopped anyone?


Technically, a for-profit could follow the six criteria that the DOL sets out and have an unpaid intern.




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