Re: Transfer Student(s) Taking Questions
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:34 pm
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Don't waste your time reading Chemerinsky's supplement during break. It's way long and you likely will not cover the entire Chemerinsky book in one semester, so at this point you don't know what to read and what not to read. If you really feel like you have to get your study on, I would recommend Mary Cheh's con law Sum & Substance, which is a little outdated but still really useful. That way you can study while you do dishes or work out or whatever.shazi wrote:Wow very helpful responses!
I think I'm with LisaVJ on this one. Using break to hone my drinking skills and letting my friends know I'm still alive is a good idea.
Winter Break has to be the best thing ever. I never truly appreciated how wonderful it is to be able to do anything you want all day.
Reading EE's over break is impressive. That's dedication. I might read Chemerinsky's Con Law supplement over break since I'm using his casebook next semester.
It's nice to know there is time to get Apps/PS's done after grades roll through.
It does sound like getting a head start won't hurt. But I feel like rolling admissions for transfers doesn't matter as much? I'm sure they have the luxury to wait and evaluate all the applicants before making decisions considering barely anyone applies to transfer?
Hey! is it always true that transfer students automatically have to pay sticker for two years?, If you dont mind me asking, did Berkely match the scholarship offer of your previous school? thanks!brotherdarkness wrote:The reading E&E's over break was lame, but whatever. I figured that trading nine months of my life for a chance to make a solid six-figure salary upon graduation and set myself on track for an otherwise unattainable career was a worthwhile trade.shazi wrote:Wow very helpful responses!
I think I'm with LisaVJ on this one. Using break to hone my drinking skills and letting my friends know I'm still alive is a good idea.
Winter Break has to be the best thing ever. I never truly appreciated how wonderful it is to be able to do anything you want all day.
Reading EE's over break is impressive. That's dedication. I might read Chemerinsky's Con Law supplement over break since I'm using his casebook next semester.
It's nice to know there is time to get Apps/PS's done after grades roll through.
It does sound like getting a head start won't hurt. But I feel like rolling admissions for transfers doesn't matter as much? I'm sure they have the luxury to wait and evaluate all the applicants before making decisions considering barely anyone applies to transfer?
As for the admissions offices waiting to evaluate transfer applications, that's a huge gripe of mine. I applied to Berkeley, Stanford, and Harvard. Berkeley admitted me fairly quickly and let me know that I needed to commit by the middle of July. Stanford and Harvard wouldn't give me a decision before then. I called their admissions offices and explained the situation, but I doubt they did more than shrug their shoulders and wonder what they were having for lunch that day. Berkeley said that it was understood that committing to them meant withdrawing other applications. They also said that they do not grant extensions on this deadline. I had a discussion with a number of others on TLS during this process and eventually decided to withdraw my applications from Stanford and Harvard before hearing back. I don't know what others did, but I wasn't comfortable with being dishonest or whatever you might like to call it. I did, however, take the time to meet with some staff at Berkeley's Law school and let them know that I thought their commitment deadline was designed specifically to put individuals like myself in that situation and that it was, well, a bullshit maneuver. I'm sure they don't care and will continue to do this, but it's something others should be aware of. I don't mean to make it seem as though I'm ungrateful for the opportunity I've been afforded (busting my ass for one year made up for pissing away my undergraduate years), I just don't like being toyed with.
hey man, thanks for your Q, it is true that typically you must pay sticker. theres really no incentive to match. Yale, Harvard and Stanford however give need-based aid. so if you transfer to one of those you will get need-based aid in accordance with your need.deebanger wrote: Hey! is it always true that transfer students automatically have to pay sticker for two years?, If you dont mind me asking, did Berkely match the scholarship offer of your previous school? thanks!
I did chemerinksi last winter break. Holy shit what a waste of time. Dont do it, jusr take some time off and try to relax.echooo23 wrote:Don't waste your time reading Chemerinsky's supplement during break. It's way long and you likely will not cover the entire Chemerinsky book in one semester, so at this point you don't know what to read and what not to read. If you really feel like you have to get your study on, I would recommend Mary Cheh's con law Sum & Substance, which is a little outdated but still really useful. That way you can study while you do dishes or work out or whatever.shazi wrote:Wow very helpful responses!
I think I'm with LisaVJ on this one. Using break to hone my drinking skills and letting my friends know I'm still alive is a good idea.
Winter Break has to be the best thing ever. I never truly appreciated how wonderful it is to be able to do anything you want all day.
Reading EE's over break is impressive. That's dedication. I might read Chemerinsky's Con Law supplement over break since I'm using his casebook next semester.
It's nice to know there is time to get Apps/PS's done after grades roll through.
It does sound like getting a head start won't hurt. But I feel like rolling admissions for transfers doesn't matter as much? I'm sure they have the luxury to wait and evaluate all the applicants before making decisions considering barely anyone applies to transfer?
Don't underestimate how fatigued you will be going hard for two semesters straight. Use your break to relax as much as you can. You don't want to be so fatigued come April that you lose all motivation near the finish line when it matters most.
Most of the schools claim that they have need-based aid available to transfers that is "abandoned" by people who were at the school 1L year and won't be there for 2L. I think this is a flame (outside of HYS). I have a friend here who transferred who would qualify for any need-based aid that exists, and they didn't get any.deebanger wrote:Hey! is it always true that transfer students automatically have to pay sticker for two years?, If you dont mind me asking, did Berkely match the scholarship offer of your previous school? thanks!
you will be so fortunate BD (unless you burn the office down).brotherdarkness wrote:Game plan? I transferred for biglaw, so that's my only "plan." I'll be summering at a V5 and I'm hoping to be fortunate enough to return after graduation.Jchance wrote:Adding my name to the list, T50-70 transfered to non-t14 t20.
I'm interested to find out what other transfers' game plan is after they transfered. Anyone care to answer? The more the merrier.
If the whole point of transferring is OCI, then one could just stay at their old school and do just as well, assuming s/he mass-mails like crazy. Transfers theoretically are only given a small bump at OCI, as they are compared to their peers at their old school by grades (or at most a median at their new school).brotherdarkness wrote:Game plan? I transferred for biglaw, so that's my only "plan." I'll be summering at a V5 and I'm hoping to be fortunate enough to return after graduation.Jchance wrote:Adding my name to the list, T50-70 transfered to non-t14 t20.
I'm interested to find out what other transfers' game plan is after they transfered. Anyone care to answer? The more the merrier.
there is probably benefit down the road with going in-house and doing other things. will also give you greater flexibility if your interests should change.Jchance wrote:If the whole point of transferring is OCI, then one could just stay at their old school and do just as well, assuming s/he mass-mails like crazy. Transfers theoretically are only given a small bump at OCI, as they are compared to their peers at their old school by grades (or at most a median at their new school).brotherdarkness wrote:Game plan? I transferred for biglaw, so that's my only "plan." I'll be summering at a V5 and I'm hoping to be fortunate enough to return after graduation.Jchance wrote:Adding my name to the list, T50-70 transfered to non-t14 t20.
I'm interested to find out what other transfers' game plan is after they transfered. Anyone care to answer? The more the merrier.
Anything else besides OCI?
It's about the opportunity to get in front of more employers. That counts for A LOT. Old school, 15 employers, pre-select, could get 0 screeners. New school, 175 employers, lottery, guaranteed at least 12 screeners (in actuality, 19).Jchance wrote:If the whole point of transferring is OCI, then one could just stay at their old school and do just as well, assuming s/he mass-mails like crazy. Transfers theoretically are only given a small bump at OCI, as they are compared to their peers at their old school by grades (or at most a median at their new school).brotherdarkness wrote:Game plan? I transferred for biglaw, so that's my only "plan." I'll be summering at a V5 and I'm hoping to be fortunate enough to return after graduation.Jchance wrote:Adding my name to the list, T50-70 transfered to non-t14 t20.
I'm interested to find out what other transfers' game plan is after they transfered. Anyone care to answer? The more the merrier.
Anything else besides OCI?
This is true at some schools, but not true at a LOT of other schools. I came from a regional T50 school where the biglaw placement was atrocious (~3 students a year). I was close to the top of the class, but not high enough. Had I stayed, I would have gotten some screeners in the region but probably struck out. Outside of the region, I would have probably struck out too. Mass mailing is too easy for firms to ignore. I mass mailed like crazy from CLS (~300 NYC firms) and still heard mostly crickets. I can't imagine having any success if I only had my old school on my resume. Compare that to CLS, where I got to sit down with ~35 screeners, got 10+ CBs, offers to choose from, etc.Jchance wrote:
If the whole point of transferring is OCI, then one could just stay at their old school and do just as well, assuming s/he mass-mails like crazy. Transfers theoretically are only given a small bump at OCI, as they are compared to their peers at their old school by grades (or at most a median at their new school).
Anything else besides OCI?
Like others have said, top grades at your old school don't mean the same thing as a transfer, but its not just about sitting down with employers (though this is a huge boost). My roommate is also a transfer. Before her acceptance was in hand, she was at a dinner party with the managing partner at the firm she's going to. He told her, very frankly, that while he thought she was a great girl with a lot of potential, unless she had a transfer secured, he wouldn't even bring her in for a screener. And this was someone that my roommate's family runs in social circles with, who later hired her once she was at the T14 we now attend.Jchance wrote:If the whole point of transferring is OCI, then one could just stay at their old school and do just as well, assuming s/he mass-mails like crazy. Transfers theoretically are only given a small bump at OCI, as they are compared to their peers at their old school by grades (or at most a median at their new school).brotherdarkness wrote:Game plan? I transferred for biglaw, so that's my only "plan." I'll be summering at a V5 and I'm hoping to be fortunate enough to return after graduation.Jchance wrote:Adding my name to the list, T50-70 transfered to non-t14 t20.
I'm interested to find out what other transfers' game plan is after they transfered. Anyone care to answer? The more the merrier.
Anything else besides OCI?
i think itll give you more flexibility to do something other than be a biglaw drone.rambleon65 wrote:My biggest thing is if I manage to transfer to Harvard, what will it do for me that top 5% at BU/BC wouldn't give me?
Honestly, i don't know that i care that much about V100 rankings as much as the people/culture/fit of the firm.
The only thing that I think about in transferring (assuming 2nd semester goes just as well) is lateral mobility in the next 5-10 years. I know employers do not care about your school grades once you land your first job, but i'd imagine there'd be a slight bump in lateral mobility coming out of Harvard?
+1 on this. V5 is definitely attainable from BU/BC. However, it is likely the smaller class-size firms and interesting firms at the margins that will be more available to you at HLS. Also, don't discount the advantage of having all the employers come to you.brotherdarkness wrote:Agreed on the flexibility point. Additionally, though you may not care much about how far up the Vault rankings you go, if you care about people/culture/fit, you're going to want to have as many options as possible when choosing a firm to summer at. If you only have one offer but hate the people/culture/fit, you're not really in a position to turn it down. Transferring to Harvard will very likely increase your odds at being able to choose amongst several firms.stillwater wrote:i think itll give you more flexibility to do something other than be a biglaw drone.rambleon65 wrote:My biggest thing is if I manage to transfer to Harvard, what will it do for me that top 5% at BU/BC wouldn't give me?
Honestly, i don't know that i care that much about V100 rankings as much as the people/culture/fit of the firm.
The only thing that I think about in transferring (assuming 2nd semester goes just as well) is lateral mobility in the next 5-10 years. I know employers do not care about your school grades once you land your first job, but i'd imagine there'd be a slight bump in lateral mobility coming out of Harvard?