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Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:24 am
by PDX4343
So I'm a splitter, and I'm hearing all this great news about app drops, and how my LSAT score is worth more to top schools now than it was in the past. But unfortunately I can't apply to law school until next cycle. So I'm just curious if people think that the decline in apps will continue into the 2014-15 cycle?

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:31 am
by california2013
PDX4343 wrote:So I'm a splitter, and I'm hearing all this great news about app drops, and how my LSAT score is worth more to top schools now than it was in the past. But unfortunately I can't apply to law school until next cycle. So I'm just curious if people think that the decline in apps will continue into the 2014-15 cycle?
NO. schools will adjust after this year cycle.

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:50 am
by PDX4343
I'm sure schools will continue to adjust to the decline in applications as they have been. I'm concerned with whether or not the drop in applications will continue into the next cycle.

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:29 pm
by Tiago Splitter
The number of LSAT takers continues to decline. October was down 10.9% year over year. As long as that continues, expect apps to keep declining.

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:13 pm
by PDX4343
Ahh Okay that's what I was looking for. Thanks for the info!

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:38 am
by dardardelight
Bump

I'm interested in the same question the OP has . I predict that LSAT medians at t14 will mostly remain the same as that of this year's incoming class. I'm really banking on a 172+ LSAT, so I really hope that there's not a huge amount of people who are scheming to capitalize on the downward trend in apps and just ace the June LSAT.

Is this even possible? But yeah, good question -- if there is anybody who can predict trends or can give a sound prediction, please throw in your 2 cents!

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:51 pm
by MyNameIsFlynn!
dardardelight wrote:Bump

I'm interested in the same question the OP has . I predict that LSAT medians at t14 will mostly remain the same as that of this year's incoming class. I'm really banking on a 172+ LSAT, so I really hope that there's not a huge amount of people who are scheming to capitalize on the downward trend in apps and just ace the June LSAT.

Is this even possible? But yeah, good question -- if there is anybody who can predict trends or can give a sound prediction, please throw in your 2 cents!
jfc you bumped to literally ask if we have a crystal ball

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:12 pm
by Amity
Once you’ve committed the time and $ to take the LSAT, you are pretty much hooked (especially if you score +160).

Given that schools are stepping up with substantial tuition breaks I think applications may only go down a little. The one caveat is if schools have to post REAL employment numbers — that in itself might discourage a significant number of applicants. It’s one thing to take a chance on a school with a 92% employment stat versus a 62% employment stat. If one meshes all the schools together the employment rate would only be around 50%. Depends if the applicants can figure that out.

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:18 pm
by Tiago Splitter
Amity wrote:Once you’ve committed the time and $ to take the LSAT, you are pretty much hooked (especially if you score +160).

Given that schools are stepping up with substantial tuition breaks I think applications may only go down a little. The one caveat is if schools have to post REAL employment numbers — that in itself might discourage a significant number of applicants. It’s one thing to take a chance on a school with a 92% employment stat versus a 62% employment stat. If one meshes all the schools together the employment rate would only be around 50%. Depends if the applicants can figure that out.
FWIW applicants are down over 13% YTD.

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:27 pm
by Amity
Tiago Splitter wrote:FWIW applicants are down over 13% YTD.
Thus, if my assumed numbers are right, the application pool dropped from 40,000 to 34,800. Meaning that 5,200 students shall escape from a jobless future and a big monthly tuition bill. (Versus 14,800 being thrown under a bus)

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:35 pm
by Tiago Splitter
Amity wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:FWIW applicants are down over 13% YTD.
Thus, if my assumed numbers are right, the application pool dropped from 40,000 to 34,800. Meaning that 5,200 students shall escape from a jobless future and a big monthly tuition bill. (Versus 14,800 being thrown under a bus)
Do we know how many people matriculated last year? It was 44,000 or so two years ago. 59,000 applied last year so it was probably about 40,000 starting but I haven't seen the exact number.

Re: Applying Next Cycle, Will Drop In Apps Continue?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:54 pm
by Summerz
Tiago Splitter wrote:
Amity wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:FWIW applicants are down over 13% YTD.
Thus, if my assumed numbers are right, the application pool dropped from 40,000 to 34,800. Meaning that 5,200 students shall escape from a jobless future and a big monthly tuition bill. (Versus 14,800 being thrown under a bus)
Do we know how many people matriculated last year? It was 44,000 or so two years ago. 59,000 applied last year so it was probably about 40,000 starting but I haven't seen the exact number.
As law schools cut their budgets by firing law professors their tuitions will likely fall. Simultaneously some schools are inflating their employment numbers with school funded jobs. Until I see a few schools close their doors, I believe the best case scenario is a third more grads then available jobs. :(