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Alternative Legal Careers

Postby ryry0613 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:33 pm

Has anyone ever looked into the prospect of searching for jobs after obtaining a JD degree however; without necessarily being licensed to practice law? For example many law students graduate from a lower tier school and have difficulty obtaining work formally as an attorney and others may not be admitted to the bar for various reasons ie: substance abuse issues or a criminal record. It seems as though many job opportunities exist in the insurance and banking industries, writing contracts, reviewing financial documents etc... I am applying to law school shortly and considering alternative law careers.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Grazzhoppa » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:39 am

if you can't become a lawyer you shouldn't go to law school.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby whereskyle » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:02 am

Grazzhoppa wrote:if you can't become a lawyer you shouldn't go to law school.


Doesn't mean we shouldn't hear from folks doing related work, if anybody can chime in. Of course, one shouldn't apply to ls, if one does not intend to practice law.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby bk1 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:06 am

ryry0613 wrote:It seems as though many job opportunities exist in the insurance and banking industries, writing contracts, reviewing financial documents etc.

Most of these jobs are for lawyers and few of them are available to fresh law grads.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby ryry0613 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:50 am

After further research it appears that using a JD without bar admission appears to be relatively common. Document review jobs are available at larger businesses which doesn't require lecensure and many firms are willing to accept a JD instead of an MBA, though typically these jobs pay less than what being admitted as an attorney would entail. Insurance companies also hire JD's to determine contract liabilities.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Tom Joad » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:55 am

But then you wouldn't be an attorney at law.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Duchovnysfan » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:22 am

I'd only recommend law school to anyone where their first priority is being an attorney. Anything else you are wasting your time and $$$$$

Law school is professional school like med school. You definitely don't see MDs looking for alternate careers they want to be doctors

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby prezidentv8 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:34 am

ryry0613 wrote:Has anyone ever looked into the prospect of searching for jobs after obtaining a JD degree however; without necessarily being licensed to practice law? For example many law students graduate from a lower tier school and have difficulty obtaining work formally as an attorney and others may not be admitted to the bar for various reasons ie: substance abuse issues or a criminal record. It seems as though many job opportunities exist in the insurance and banking industries, writing contracts, reviewing financial documents etc... I am applying to law school shortly and considering alternative law careers.


OH THE HUMANITY

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Quiet Batperson » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:43 pm

ryry0613 wrote:After further research it appears that using a JD without bar admission appears to be relatively common. Document review jobs are available at larger businesses which doesn't require lecensure and many firms are willing to accept a JD instead of an MBA, though typically these jobs pay less than what being admitted as an attorney would entail. Insurance companies also hire JD's to determine contract liabilities.
That's news to me. Where are you seeing these postings?

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby ryry0613 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:14 am

Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Tom Joad » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:29 am

ryry0613 wrote:Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

It ain't easy to get these jobs, brej.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby ryry0613 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:39 am

Tom Joad wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

It ain't easy to get these jobs, brej.


True, but if a JD and an MBA both applied to a contract manager review job, a jd would already know everything necessary regarding the legality of a business contract whereas an MBA just recieves a broad education in business management. At least with a jd you recieve a skill you can use in the business world and law.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Tom Joad » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:40 am

ryry0613 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

It ain't easy to get these jobs, brej.


True, but if a JD and an MBA both applied to a contract manager review job, a jd would already know everything necessary regarding the legality of a business contract whereas an MBA just recieves a broad education in business management. At least with a jd you recieve a skill you can use in the business world and law.

You aren't serious, right?

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby ryry0613 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:09 am

Tom Joad wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

It ain't easy to get these jobs, brej.


True, but if a JD and an MBA both applied to a contract manager review job, a jd would already know everything necessary regarding the legality of a business contract whereas an MBA just recieves a broad education in business management. At least with a jd you recieve a skill you can use in the business world and law.

You aren't serious, right?


Of course im serious an individual with a law degree is obviously going to be more familiar with contract law than someone else

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Tom Joad » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:22 am

You don't need to be an attorney to write a contract.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby ryry0613 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:04 am

Tom Joad wrote:You don't need to be an attorney to write a contract.


Absolutely correct however,document reviewers ensure the terms of the contract are in fact legal and in compliance with government regulations.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby guano » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:25 am

ryry0613 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

It ain't easy to get these jobs, brej.


True, but if a JD and an MBA both applied to a contract manager review job, a jd would already know everything necessary regarding the legality of a business contract whereas an MBA just recieves a broad education in business management. At least with a jd you recieve a skill you can use in the business world and law.

But the MBA will understand the purpose of the contract better
(Not to mention that many MBA programs require at least one law course)

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Danger Zone » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:36 am

ryry0613 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:You don't need to be an attorney to write a contract.


Absolutely correct however,document reviewers ensure the terms of the contract are in fact legal and in compliance with government regulations.

That's not what doc reviewers do.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby stillwater » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:56 pm

Danger Zone wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:You don't need to be an attorney to write a contract.


Absolutely correct however,document reviewers ensure the terms of the contract are in fact legal and in compliance with government regulations.

That's not what doc reviewers do.


doc review is cockroach

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Kafkaesquire » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:02 am

Compliance, medicine....

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby englawyer » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:55 am

guano wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

It ain't easy to get these jobs, brej.


True, but if a JD and an MBA both applied to a contract manager review job, a jd would already know everything necessary regarding the legality of a business contract whereas an MBA just recieves a broad education in business management. At least with a jd you recieve a skill you can use in the business world and law.

But the MBA will understand the purpose of the contract better
(Not to mention that many MBA programs require at least one law course)


that is probably not true. TTT MBA's are on the same level as TTT JD's. MBA is only useful if you go to the top programs, and its useful there because of networking circles and prestige. I don't think there are any MBA-related skills or knowledge that a smart JD could not pick up in a few weeks. See eg, McKinsey "mini MBA" where they teach you the entire MBA curriculum in like 3 weeks or something like that (http://mld.mckinsey.com/sites/default/f ... ochure.pdf)

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby TheWeeIceMon » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:01 am

Kafkaesquire wrote:Compliance, medicine....


I'd love to know how to get into medicine with a JD...

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Kafkaesquire » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:43 am

TheWeeIceMon wrote:
Kafkaesquire wrote:Compliance, medicine....


I'd love to know how to get into medicine with a JD...


That's simple. Get your JD. Though not necessarily there physically, your JD with be with you figuratively as you go through medical school. If you get through medical school with your JD, you can get into medicine with your JD.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby Teoeo » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:15 am

ryry0613 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
ryry0613 wrote:Went to several job search engines and I simply searched for "JD preferred". The pay still seems better at the larger law firms as an attorney but a law degree seems as though it can be used similar to an MBA as well.

It ain't easy to get these jobs, brej.


True, but if a JD and an MBA both applied to a contract manager review job, a jd would already know everything necessary regarding the legality of a business contract whereas an MBA just recieves a broad education in business management. At least with a jd you recieve a skill you can use in the business world and law.


You are completely and utterly wrong. It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself rather than getting real advice. Do not go to law school unless you want to practice law as an attorney.

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Re: Alternative Legal Careers

Postby TheWeeIceMon » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:41 pm

Kafkaesquire wrote:
TheWeeIceMon wrote:
Kafkaesquire wrote:Compliance, medicine....


I'd love to know how to get into medicine with a JD...


That's simple. Get your JD. Though not necessarily there physically, your JD with be with you figuratively as you go through medical school. If you get through medical school with your JD, you can get into medicine with your JD.


Wut? That's not an alternative legal career. That's an entirely new career.




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