Salaries for various firm sizes

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Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:51 pm

http://www.nalp.org/2012_associate_salaries

If this information is accurate, why is anyone worried unless they're paying sticker? I don't know about you guys, but 70k/yr with the debt I'm going to have is a pretty good deal.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby lukertin » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:58 pm

And what, pray tell, is your "debt"?

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby rinkrat19 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:00 pm

1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.
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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:01 pm

lukertin wrote:And what, pray tell, is your "debt"?


70k including UG.

SC vanilla is way better than BW btw.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby hichvichwoh » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:02 pm

in order for any of that information to be relevant, you have to have a firm job. How many people do you get firm jobs?

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:04 pm

hichvichwoh wrote:How many people do you get firm jobs?

hichvichwoh wrote:How many people do you?


Has anyone ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:06 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.


60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck. Maybe you could lateral to another firm at some point?
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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby bk1 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:07 pm

Dood, almost 20% of the people who graduate from your school don't even get a job after 9 months. Looking at average salaries is putting the cart way before the horse.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby rinkrat19 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:07 pm

anacharsis wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.


60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck.

Would you like to address point #1?

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:08 pm

bk1 wrote:Dood, almost 20% of the people who graduate from your school don't even get a job after 9 months. Looking at average salaries is putting the cart way before the horse.


I don't go to Illinois.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:11 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
anacharsis wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.


60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck.

Would you like to address point #1?


My understanding it that most people who are graduating from a top 30 school in the top 60% of their class will get a legal job, probably at a firm, if they try.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby hichvichwoh » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:12 pm

anacharsis wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
anacharsis wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.


60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck.

Would you like to address point #1?


My understanding it that most people who are graduating from a top 30 school in the top 60% of their class will get a legal job, probably at a firm, if they try.


your understanding is wrong.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:13 pm

So the people in the bottom 40% don't count?

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:16 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:So the people in the bottom 40% don't count?


They don't count as people in the top 60%.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby californiauser » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:26 pm

OP where do you go to school? And why is this posted in the Ask a law student / graduate section?

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:29 pm

californiauser wrote:OP where do you go to school?


I'd rather not say. A T30.

californiauser wrote:And why is this posted in the Ask a law student / graduate section?


Where should it be posted? I'm relatively new to posting, but I thought that job prospects after graduation would pretty directly concern law students and graduates of law schools.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby lukertin » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:38 pm

Looks like OP will become a Vale regular next year.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby ScottRiqui » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:45 pm

hichvichwoh wrote:
your understanding is wrong.


He may be right, if you remember that "most" can be as low as 50.1%. So half of the top 60% getting legal jobs after graduation isn't a stretch. It's sobering, and probably not what he had in mind, but not necessarily wrong.
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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:07 pm

Yeah you guys are just jealous because I have bigger tits and a cute top.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby Gorki » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:55 pm

anacharsis wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:So the people in the bottom 40% don't count?


They don't count as people in the top 60%.


Its been noted through the trials and tribs of TLS that "60% get jobs" does not mean top 60% in the class get firm jobs. There are total rubes that are connected and get jerbs, whereas a t14 with 25th percentile grades and LR is checking out peeps at Costco.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby NYstate » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:07 pm

anacharsis wrote:http://www.nalp.org/2012_associate_salaries

If this information is accurate, why is anyone worried unless they're paying sticker? I don't know about you guys, but 70k/yr with the debt I'm going to have is a pretty good deal.


You understand that isn't how legal hiring works, right? If you don't understand why people are worried, then you need to do a great deal more research. Read the blog posts of inside the law school scam and Paul campos book "don't go to law school unless". Read law school transparency and read all the articles on law school in the New York Times and the WSJ over the past three years.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby anacharsis » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:02 pm

NYstate wrote:
anacharsis wrote:http://www.nalp.org/2012_associate_salaries

If this information is accurate, why is anyone worried unless they're paying sticker? I don't know about you guys, but 70k/yr with the debt I'm going to have is a pretty good deal.


You understand that isn't how legal hiring works, right? If you don't understand why people are worried, then you need to do a great deal more research. Read the blog posts of inside the law school scam and Paul campos book "don't go to law school unless". Read law school transparency and read all the articles on law school in the New York Times and the WSJ over the past three years.


Yeah I've read those things. I didn't read a goddamn book about not going to law school and then decide to go, though. Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?

I'm a 1L too, dickhead. I probably know just about exactly as much about "how legal hiring works" as you do.

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Re: Salaries for various firm sizes

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:03 pm

anacharsis wrote:I'm a 1L too, dickhead. I probably know just about exactly as much about "how legal hiring works" as you do.

:lol:




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