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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby presh » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:00 pm

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:01 pm

Kronk wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:I am not intentionally trying to be a dick to BJ. He is taking his frustrations out on me. I appreciate your substantive post. It is real helpful. I have done a lot of research on legal careers. I am not some ignorant 0L that thinks all attorneys make six figures.



But it seems you think there is a large spectrum to salaries. What I am trying to say is:

40k-50k-60k-DEARTH OF JOBS DEARTH OF JOBS DEARTH OF JOBS DEARTH OF JOBS--145k-160k (working 70hpw)


Yes-- I know-- the largely bimodal distribution of salaries in the legal field. All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bjsesq » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:02 pm

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bjsesq wrote:
presh wrote:
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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Kronk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:03 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:
Kronk wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:I am not intentionally trying to be a dick to BJ. He is taking his frustrations out on me. I appreciate your substantive post. It is real helpful. I have done a lot of research on legal careers. I am not some ignorant 0L that thinks all attorneys make six figures.



But it seems you think there is a large spectrum to salaries. What I am trying to say is:

40k-50k-60k-DEARTH OF JOBS DEARTH OF JOBS DEARTH OF JOBS DEARTH OF JOBS--145k-160k (working 70hpw)


Yes-- I know-- the largely bimodal distribution of salaries in the legal field. All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.


Yep, one would think that. One would think that.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Emma. » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:03 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote: All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.


One would be sorely mistaken.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:03 pm

Emma. wrote:
rad lulz wrote:When 0Ls tell 3Ls how to get jobs I want to smash their faces into a table


I didn't create a thread on giving you advice on how to get jobs nor do I frequently dispense advice. I was simply providing a suggestion in terms of the Big Four. That is all. You guys are sensitive. Keep Your Head Up like Tupac says. The job will come at some point.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bk1 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:04 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.

wut

You do realize that every year, around 1/4 of the T14 graduate unemployed or underemployed, right?

ETA: gdi, scooped by emma.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bk1 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:04 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:I didn't create a thread on giving you advice on how to get jobs nor do I frequently dispense advice. I was simply providing a suggestion in terms of the Big Four. That is all. You guys are sensitive. Keep Your Head Up like Tupac says. The job will come at some point.

You have made a plethora of ignorant statements ITT.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Kronk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:05 pm

I find it funny that this is one of bizzy's first posts on TLS, back in 2012:

bizzybone1313 wrote:You should apply for jobs at the Big Four accounting firms (KPMG, Deloitte, E&Y and PWC). I use to work for KPMG. If you get lucky and work in the right division, the amount you eventually make per hour could be pretty high. I have heard that people with a JD probably start around $80K. With your T-14 pedigree, I bet you have a fairly decent chance of an interview with them if you have a technical/business undergraduate degree. In the one year I was there, I traveled to Singapore, Norway, Chicago and Atlanta. I almost got to go to the Dominican Republic. The problem with the Big Four is if you end up in the wrong division; you get worked like a dog and don't get compensated enough for it.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Emma. » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:08 pm

bk1 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.

wut

You do realize that every year, around 1/4 of the T14 graduate unemployed or underemployed, right?

ETA: gdi, scooped by emma.


Lulz. Just like I got scooped by Kronk.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:09 pm

Kronk wrote:I find it funny that this is one of bizzy's first posts on TLS, back in 2012:

bizzybone1313 wrote:You should apply for jobs at the Big Four accounting firms (KPMG, Deloitte, E&Y and PWC). I use to work for KPMG. If you get lucky and work in the right division, the amount you eventually make per hour could be pretty high. I have heard that people with a JD probably start around $80K. With your T-14 pedigree, I bet you have a fairly decent chance of an interview with them if you have a technical/business undergraduate degree. In the one year I was there, I traveled to Singapore, Norway, Chicago and Atlanta. I almost got to go to the Dominican Republic. The problem with the Big Four is if you end up in the wrong division; you get worked like a dog and don't get compensated enough for it.


Exactly. What about that post? Outside of tax and audit, working for a Big Four is a pretty sweet gig. A job is better than no job at all, right? Even working in tax or audit, one would have real good exit options. Those companies are all presitigious.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Kronk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:09 pm

Wanted to see if bizzybone1313 was the one who started a thread about being from Texas, wanting to go to a T-14 law school so he could become a politician in Colorado, and refused to listen to people talk about how AWESOME the idea was, because if there's one thing people in Colorado LOVE, it's people who have absolutely no connection to the state and go to elite out of state colleges running for office! Verdict: he IS that person. Also found this gem from that thread:

bizzybone1313 wrote:First and foremost, I will accompish a lot more in my life than you and at the same time make a difference.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bk1 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:10 pm

Emma. wrote:Lulz. Just like I got scooped by Kronk.

lol I didn't even notice that. Should have kept scrolling up. :oops:

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby NoodleyOne » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:10 pm

romothesavior wrote:Noodley aren't you a 0L too?

Yeah, and I don't presume to know shit about being a lawyer. I don't come to this sub forum to hear 0Ls talk about legal hiring and law school.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Danger Zone » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:11 pm

Kronk wrote:Wanted to see if bizzybone1313 was the one who started a thread about being from Texas, wanting to go to a T-14 law school so he could become a politician in Colorado, and refused to listen to people talk about how AWESOME the idea was, because if there's one thing people in Colorado LOVE, it's people who have absolutely no connection to the state and go to elite out of state colleges running for office! Verdict: he IS that person. Also found this gem from that thread:

bizzybone1313 wrote:First and foremost, I will accompish a lot more in my life than you and at the same time make a difference.

LOL TYFT

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:18 pm

Kronk wrote:Wanted to see if bizzybone1313 was the one who started a thread about being from Texas, wanting to go to a T-14 law school so he could become a politician in Colorado, and refused to listen to people talk about how AWESOME the idea was, because if there's one thing people in Colorado LOVE, it's people who have absolutely no connection to the state and go to elite out of state colleges running for office! Verdict: he IS that person. Also found this gem from that thread:

bizzybone1313 wrote:First and foremost, I will accompish a lot more in my life than you and at the same time make a difference.


Yep. I did say all of that. My goal in life is to become a politician. That is my dream. It would make me extremely happy. It is something I could see myself be good at. It was difficult to not get a little more than pissed off from some random guy on the internet telling me what I should or should not do with my career.

What is your point? What does any of that have to do with this discussion?

I am still going to try to end up in Colorado. If that doesn't happen, I will settle for something else. So? And?

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:22 pm

bk1 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.

wut

You do realize that every year, around 1/4 of the T14 graduate unemployed or underemployed, right?

ETA: gdi, scooped by emma.


75% of people having good outcomes is pretty outstanding from my point of view. Part of the problem is that a lot of 0L's have been coddled and have lived upper-middle class lifestyles their entire lives. What about percentages for other fields? I don't know what you guys expect. 90% good outcomes? 95% good outcomes? That didn't happen for people straight out of undergrad in almost any discipline, so why should people expect that in the legal field even if it is at a T-14?

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Mal Reynolds » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:23 pm

Bizzy is doing a great job winning the hearts and minds of this thread. I'm sure he will have no problem becoming a politician.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Danger Zone » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:23 pm

The level of unintentional narcissism from people interested in law is outstanding. At least bankers own their swag.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby presh » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:24 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:Bizzy is doing a great job winning the hearts and minds of this thread. I'm sure he will have no problem becoming a politician.


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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Emma. » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:24 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:
bk1 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.

wut

You do realize that every year, around 1/4 of the T14 graduate unemployed or underemployed, right?

ETA: gdi, scooped by emma.


75% of people having good outcomes is pretty outstanding from my point of view. Part of the problem is that a lot of 0L's have been coddled and have lived upper-middle class lifestyles their entire lives. What about percentages for other fields? I don't know what you guys expect. 90% good outcomes? 95% good outcomes? That didn't happen for people straight out of undergrad in almost any discipline, so why should people expect that in the legal field even if it is at a T-14?


Yeah, that was BJ's problem. Straight from UG with too much coddling. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:24 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:
bk1 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:All I am essentially saying is that one WOULD THINK (notice the carefully constructed manner of this wording) that a T-14 law degree would shield most people from having disastrous outcomes.

wut

You do realize that every year, around 1/4 of the T14 graduate unemployed or underemployed, right?

ETA: gdi, scooped by emma.


75% of people having good outcomes is pretty outstanding from my point of view. Part of the problem is that a lot of 0L's have been coddled and have lived upper-middle class lifestyles their entire lives. What about percentages for other fields? I don't know what you guys expect. 90% good outcomes? 95% good outcomes? That didn't happen for people straight out of undergrad in almost any discipline, so why should people expect that in the legal field even if it is at a T-14?

Because people don't usually pay $250K to get the degree in those other fields?

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:25 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:Bizzy is doing a great job winning the hearts and minds of this thread. I'm sure he will have no problem becoming a politician.


I am not trying to win these guys hearts and minds. These guys are parsing my words and creating drama out of nothing. I provide a minor suggestion of where this guy should apply to for a job and he throws a tantrum. I was just trying to be helpful. I didn't get anything out of providing this suggestion.

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Re: Do You Regret Going to Law School?

Postby Kronk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:26 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:I am still going to try to end up in Colorado. If that doesn't happen, I will settle for something else. So? And?


I gotta say bro, on a personal level I hope you end up elsewhere.

But here is what I was talking about with that thread, in small portion:

bizzybone1313 wrote:I want to practice civil rights, immigration or plantiff side employment law. My undergrad degree and WE makes me a shoe in for energy law though. If I cannot get civil rights, immigration or employment law, I will settle for an energy law gig. Colorado is very important for my future career ambitions. I cannot do it in Texas.


bizzybone1313 wrote:I am surprised Virginia hasn't received more votes than Michigan or Duke as being the least portable. Don't Michigan and Duke have more lay prestige than Virginia which is part of what makes a school portable in the first place? Yeah.....I am not sure about schools, such as Penn or Cornell because of their northeastern locations. I would consider attending if they throw a lot of money at me though. I would pay sticker for Columbia. I am assuming Columbia could get me to Colorado almost as much as HYS.


bizzybone1313 wrote:
bk1 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:I have been pushing back the LSAT for a long time for this very reason. I know I one test away from H(YTTT)SC. Yale is overrated. :D. In fact for me, it goes like this: HCS (very close tie between C and S)Y. On that note, its time to go study.


For you? Well good thing you're the one who is going to be hiring yourself down the road.


Harvard has produced more leaders and outstanding alumni than Yale (I know, I know its in part because they are a diploma mill). Yale is overrated though. Harvard carries more weight in non-legal jobs.


bizzybone1313 wrote:
BigZuck wrote:Why do you want to live in Colorado so bad?

I don't think I've ever heard of a Texan wanting to live someplace other than Texas.


Because having a political career as a Democrat in Texas is career suicide, but in the swing state of Colorado this isn't so. Democrats do very well in the state of Colorado. Colorado is projected to become more and more blue as the years go on. I know what is going to come from this post. Its going to go something like this: OP, why on earth don't you want to attend law school for the sole purpose of making $160K? I mean, there is nothing more important in life than making a lot of money in Big Law. Are you sure pursuing a law degree is the right path for you? Here it goes.......



Tom Joad wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:Living in Colorado is my main goal, which I have always known is going to be a very uphill battle.

155 unintentional pun.


Or maybe not.....my work experience in energy related fields should get me interviews in Colorado.

132 social awareness.



Followed by a million posts of advice about how your idea of what it took to get into Colorado / be a politician in Colorado was flawed, and suggestions, which you disregarded because you knew so much better, clearly.




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