What does it take to get in Wachtell?

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby KidStuddi » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:26 pm

crazi4law wrote:
mr.hands wrote:OP, do you really know what Wachtell does? Is there something about the firm that you like? Or do can you admit that you're just say this because its V1?


Yes I know that they are a M&A powerhouse and that they pretty much only do M&A. That is a field that I am very interested in. Obviously the pay and prestige also attracts me.

Does anyone else have any experience (1st or 2nd hand) with recruitment at WLRK?


Did a CB there. Did not get an offer. Could have been for hundreds of reasons, but fwiw I thought it was because I was applying to firms in five cities and clearly not wed to NYC.

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby jbiresq » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:01 pm

crazi4law wrote:
mr.hands wrote:OP, do you really know what Wachtell does? Is there something about the firm that you like? Or do can you admit that you're just say this because its V1?


Yes I know that they are a M&A powerhouse and that they pretty much only do M&A. That is a field that I am very interested in. Obviously the pay and prestige also attracts me.

Does anyone else have any experience (1st or 2nd hand) with recruitment at WLRK?


Their CB grade cutoffs for UChicago are higher than any other firm.

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby enibs » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:12 am

AllTheLawz wrote:
crazi4law wrote:
InterArma wrote:I'm a 2L at HLS, went through the EIP process last fall, but wasn't applying to Wachtell or any NY firms. Thus, what I can tell you is entirely second-hand knowledge from friends who are going to Wachtell this summer or after graduation, and from professors who worked with/at the firm. Discount this information as you deem appropriate.

Basically, there is some truth to the "Wachtell only takes the super high-achievers" trope. It probably has one of, if not the, highest grade cutoffs. It's not necessary to be at the top of your class, though. I'd say if you're in the top quartile, you'll have a fair shot. In large part, the reason for this is that there is not a huge population of students who want to work at Wachtell. First, you basically have to want to practice M&A law. It's true that they have other practices, but the bulk of the work they do, and their forte, is M&A (both litigation and transactional). If you get some finance experience under your belt after college, and you find you really enjoy it, you'll probably be happier (work-wise, anyway) at a firm like Davis Polk, which has a reputation as the go-to firm for Wall St. banks. Second, you have to be willing to sacrifice any semblance of a life outside the office for nearly a decade. You'll get paid substantially more than you will at other law firms, but these people don't give money away for free. Even the summer associate experience, which is usually an endless parade of expensive lunches and firm outings, is very spartan at Wachtell. You are there to work. Consequently, you won't find a tidal wave of applicants for positions at the firm. In terms of grades, achievements, etc., it is much more difficult to get a position at the State Dept., or in the appellate practice of a real hotshot D.C. firm, because there are tons of people vying for very few spots.

Having said all this, you should think hard about tailoring your pre-law career to build a resume such that Wachtell will want you. In 3-4 years time, if you're like most people, you're not going to want Wachtell. Most people value the extra 30 hours per week that they get to spend at home as worth more than then extra $150k in bonus that you'll get at Wachtell as opposed to most other firms. This is not to say that there aren't good reasons for wanting to work at Wachtell, but you should ask yourself if you have a lot in common with the people who (a) want to go to a firm like that and (b) ultimately thrive there.

Hope that helps.


Thank you for your insight InterArma. What you wrote goes contrary to all the other posters though, who say that it is next to impossible to get in.

I guess I just wanted to ask what my chances are if I end up in the top 10% of CLS (my current goal) after a year of mid-tier finance experience and apply to Wachtell? And what I can do to increase my chances?


InterArma is spot on. Top quarter plus solid "other factors" put you in range. It isn't a guarantee for anyone at any grade level, contrary to TLS wisdom that just isn't how law firms work. What I am surprised you aren't paying attention to is the fact that it isn't really a dream firm for the people who end up getting offers. Their yield on SA offers is pretty pedestrian and it is not uncommon that people turn down after they summer with them. If you are coming into law school gunning for a specific firm you really need to re-evaluate yourself.


Based on what I've heard (can't swear by it, but from pretty reliable source): 1. Wachtell's yield on SA offers is higher than any other firm. 2. It is quite uncommon that people turn them down after they summer with them. 3. Grades are important but not as important as some would think - they're looking for complete package.

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby alex.feuerman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:56 am

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby patrickd139 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:10 am

alex.feuerman wrote:you are so very very naive right now. Have you even ever worked in a law firm? Sigh.
Why don't you come back to talk to TLS when you are in the top 10% at CLS, ok?

Oh look, someone else who can skim a thread, add nothing substantively and still come across as a condescending asshat.

OP: Gun hard and give it a shot. If you're within their GPA cutoffs and it doesn't work out with WLRK, you'll still land in a comfy spot. GL, and come back and let us know how it works out.

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby 7ED » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:00 am

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby ExBiglawAssociate » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:43 am

This is like a 12 year old little league football player asking what it takes to become Payton Manning.

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby J-e-L-L-o » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:01 am

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:This is like a 12 year old little league football player asking what it takes to become Payton Manning.

:lol:

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Re: What does it take to get in Wachtell?

Postby KidStuddi » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:51 am

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:This is like a 12 year old little league football player asking what it takes to become Payton Manning.


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