scifiguy wrote:A. Nony Mouse wrote:The legal academic market is terrible and has been terrible for a while. Except in fields where there are legitimately better industry options (engineering/certain sciences, and oddly, education), all academic markets have been abysmal for generations.
But I don't think you can really use the legal academic market to say very much about the general legal market - because academia anywhere is very very very very competitive, and has been that competitive for longer than the current law employment crisis. And I think it's always been the case that someone who guns for academia, and who has "academia!!!!" written all over their resume, has never been especially appealing to a firm. Unless perhaps pre-academia - you know, go to the firm, get in their 3-5 years, then happily sail off to academia. But having tried to do academia and coming back?I don't think that was ever a very viable career path.
Now, the law employment crisis doesn't help, because as applications tank, law schools will have to cut back/close. And people who don't get academia will have an even harder time getting other jobs because there are fewer of them. But very few people go into academia in the best of times, and I don't think the fact that this group is getting even smaller is the biggest thing to be worrying about in terms of the legal job market.
I may be wrong, but I was under the mipression Campos was saying that people without biglaw exit options are taking on academic VAP positions.
And, from there, they are unable to get back into biglaw, nor move into permanent academia.
But the concern was that even people with HYS JD's, federal clerkships, and also several years of biglaw cannot find good exit options.
No, he's talking about legal academic hiring, and he's saying that people who want academic positions leave their biglaw jobs (voluntarily) for academic VAP positions, to try to get into a permanent academic position. (It is very very very common to have to do at least one VAP before getting a tenure-track job.) The problem is that if you then can't get the permanent academic job, you can't go back to biglaw, either. He's not saying that people who get pushed out of biglaw are taking VAPs as backups (VAPs are not fallbacks for anyone who has not actually been gunning for academia because you have to have a convincing academic agenda, which isn't something you can make up on the spot if you lose a biglaw job) .