senorhosh wrote:Unexpected acceptance from NYU. Here we go...
Hopefully 2L or 3Ls can answer in addition to 1Ls
1. How much of PI is legit self selection vs. "can't get biglaw so going PI"?
4. How "legit" are these school funded jobs? There were quiet a few of them (64, or 13%) for c/o 2012. Only 4 of them were JD advantage. What do these consist of?
1. Almost all self-selection. I'm a just-graduated firm person but have a ton of just-graduated public interest friends (maybe more than firm friends). All of them were interested in PI from the beginning. There are probably a handful of people who struck out and decided to go for PI, but they're a tiny proportion.
4. Many of the funded jobs are so-called "PILC welfare" for public interest people who didn't have jobs at graduation. (Some are stuff like the Brennan Center, which is really prestigious and can be long-term.) PILC welfare is mostly an acknowledgement that significant PI hiring takes place after bar admission (depending on your focus; PD and government hire before graduation, but nonprofit orgs often don't), so PI people need transitionary jobs in the mean time. I don't know anyone who isn't PI-focused in some capacity who is going to a school-funded job.
just to add to the fourth point, and I have no idea whether this is positive spin or real truth: the school is outwardly pretty proud of the fellowship program - from my perception, it's far more a matter of people getting that little extra-needed funding to pursue their goals, rather than being a backup plan for those who struck out from what they actually want.
thisisunexpected wrote:Do you guys have any sense of how competitive the PI placement situation is? I'm wondering whether you need to be RTK or have other degrees/work experience in related fields to be in the running for the real interesting stuff, and if NYU having such a reputation for PI means the number of students there aiming for it actually makes those jobs harder to get than it might be somewhere with a lower overall PI placement percentage. Like obviously NYU has a lot of connections to PI jobs, but at this point does the number of students who want them overwhelm that? I know there're no real stats on this (at least that I've seen) but if you have any sort of anecdotal sense of what it's like that'd be great. Thanks!
The RTK kids are not some superstars on a whole different level. I'm sure it's a bit of a boost for things like the Ford Fellowship (something like $10K + great PI internship placement for 1Ls and 2Ls) but my sense is that it's not quite so divisive. I know plenty of non-RTKs who have insane internships this summer and, if they want it, will have insane post-grad opportunities.
I think it's like anything else: getting the ACLU is going to be hard anywhere, but I don't think you're disadvantaged in any way compared to the RTK kids. My assumption is that that takes a backseat to other things such as grades/doing something interesting, etc. That said, getting a PI job is probably more stressful/difficult etc. than getting a firm job since that side of things is a bit harder to screw up.
Sorry I can't be more specific - like you mentioned, hard data on the PI side is a lot tougher to obtain than biglaw data because it's a bit more scattered and the data-collection isn't on the same level (and "prestige" and placement power are a bit tougher to measure).