I am flattered that many people on this forum have made an effort to undermine peoples aspiration to be able to practice law. The question that lingers is whether it makes economical sense to enroll in a TTTT school where the avg student would graduate with 200k plus in debt. The answer is, not necessarily. My situation differs from most of my colleagues and so in my case it would be very advantageous to earn a JD from any ABA accredited university. I will concede that going to a 1T school should be a feat that everybody should strive for but unfortunately, many of us have to work with what we already have. I have two daughters and I will make every effort that they obtain admissions to a top higher learning institution. But i will also show them this forum so that they learn a lesson in humility in hopes that they don't spend their free time impugning other peoples efforts.
I don't mind being lectured by many of the young bright minds on this forum since i am in fact tress passing on a "top-law" website
I want to however bring to light that not everybody is in their early twenties wanting to impress some big-name law firm right out of college. And, not everybody that goes to a for-profit TTTT school will be stuck with the bill after graduation. I've received scholarships in order to defray the cost of my undergraduate and masters coursework and believe that it is feasible for any student going to a highly priced law school to do the same. I am fortunate to attend law school at no cost, plus receive a monthly stipend due to my efforts while serving honorably for our nations most elite military branch
Lucky for me and a many others, the plight of a combat disabled veteran can be easily be mitigated with educational benefits.
I can care less for working for a big name law firm since i already have my foot in the door working civil service. I am what you call a status former employee for having served and being hurt while in combat plus my civil service history. I've worked in hospital administration for many years and earning a JD or Phd would put me in good contention for an executive role in a government hospital. The pay grade for officers working under the executive pay grade scale start in the upper 90's up to 250k. All attainable in less than a decade coming out of law school. How do i know this? from experience and networking with hundreds of administrators, vendors and any other stakeholders involved in the procurement of business with the government.
A contingency plan would be for me to return to the military and work as a JAG. I have the doors open since i have combat experience and have served honorably. A lot of young students enrolled in 4T schools have this option and can discharge all their law school debt should they decide to serve honorably for 6 years. A pay scale for officers is well above 50k or 80k (considering all the fringe benefits) plus the added bonus of having law school paid for.
As a military service member in the US Marines, i've learned to work with what i have. Perhaps we (law school students in TTTT institutions) have less lucrative options than our 1T counterparts but there are options. As law school students going to prestigious law schools, i would suppose that you would have better advice for anybody fortunate to have the opportunity to enroll to law school period.
I too have been skeptical about working with people from less than prestigious institutions of higher learning. In civil service I obtained my position for demonstrating quantitative skills and being able to exercise good judgment in grey subject matters. About a year before my departure, a co-worker was hired to do work side by side with me. This gentleman obtained a degree from a for-profit university (I won't name the college just know its a Kaplan, Univ Phoenix type of institution) and so i had my doubts of his abilities to function in our department thinking that his college probably handed his degree with minimal effort. I was wrong, this person was a wiz and could crunch numbers and project accurately better than anybody I've ever worked with. To top it off, he absorbed every bit of training in half the time it had taken every staff member before him. The moral of the story; our employer saw a college degree as a screening tool to be able to sit for an interview. Our interviewers saw that we (and i am assuming based on the dynamic in our office) encompassed the right technical skills but also looked for experience and humility. Those are qualities that cannot be learned at any university.
It was fun responding to many of your assertions. I agree that a lot of what you say is true for many law school students going to TTTT schools but i think i've demonstrated that not every case is the same, especially when you have mature students with a better grasp of the professional world. In any case, if you are an aspiring law school student and feel that you may be a discouraged by what you've read, don't be! Contact me at and I'll take the time to give you constructive advice. If your fresh out of undergrad and have the opportunity to re-take the LSAT and have a descent GPA, depending on the timing, i would concur with a lot of people on this site predicate, retake the LSAT.