Guchster wrote:ETA: Mel is correct in stating that NYU is marginally better for public interest. Our PI fucking sucks huge balls but CLS is selling their left nut to fix it. They frequently throw money at the student group I'm apart of to get us to partner with them and find pro bono stuff to do. But they still suck in terms of organization and are no where near the perfection and efficiency of our well-oiled greedy OCS which handles Big Law (our OCS is a mean, green fighting machine of a mother fucker that could've fixed the recession single-handedly because they're so hardcore).
That being said, if you came to CLS to do public interest, you'll find/get the same opportunities as an NYU student would. CLS is just going to HARDCORE work to get you to do Biglaw, cuz it's so easy to do it/get wrapped up in the models/bottles.
Just goes to show that everyone's experience is different, though maybe I'm not the most qualified to comment as I'm heading (hopefully) for firm life. All through first semester, I felt like they were pushing PI super hard. All the mandatory careers events were geared toward crafting your PI resume and the PI job search etc etc. This is probably because they expect most people to do PI work during 1L summer. For that reason, there isn't much good information on attainable private sector stuff or the application timeline for 1L private sector/judicial jobs. Everything I knew about job apps (especially for in-house, judges, and firm stuff) I got from TLS - currently, most of my friends barely have any interviews scheduled, because OCS/SJI has told them that's normal, and that they should be going for PI. YMMV, though. EIP/OCI happens in 2L August at every law school, so I don't think the fact that CLS's private sector process is generally more organized than the PI one should count against them; from what I understand, PI recruiting in general (at every school) is much less of a conveyor belt than firm stuff.
I've said it before, but I really really like everyone I have met here (or maybe that makes me one of the douches?), even the people I didn't quite get along with in the beginning. I think it's all about coming in with no preconceptions about the student body here, which really isn't helped by the whole "NYU are hippies, CLS are corporate hacks" kind of rhetoric. Everyone here is fairly attractive too (with, yes, the ladies winning by a fair margin).
Piccolittle, stop being so level-headed and precise!!!
No, but seriously I'm being dramatic when I rag on CLS PI stuff. All career stuff for 1Ls has mostly been geared towards PI work. If I gmail searched "careers" or "resume" or "interview" I'm sure the majority of stuff would be from SJI. I really think CLS and SJI are doing their best at becoming a worthy resource. I guess I'm just annoyed that our PI summer fair, is actually NYU's PI summer fair.
My OCS person says because firms are so rare and competitive, and CLS can't fund judges in anyway, it makes sense from an institutional standpoint to push PI work--as CLS can fund it and its not as competitive, so that CLS kids are beating CLS kids for slots--they're goal after all is to get 100% employment.
According to 2Ls, after this first semester, the OCS honey moon is over and we head into overdrive in terms of private stuff. Between the insanity that will be firm dinners/receptions to student group dinners/ receptions (CBS, CLWA, BLSA, LOLsa, Outlaws, etc.), to the resume, bid, interview prep that will come later this semester, I think Columbia will turn up the notch when it comes times for us to viably compete for big law jerbs.
I heard SJI dies after 1L fall. For instance, the fact that PI EIP does not exist, and the OCI basically takes BigLaws left overs, is sad to me. I heard from 2Ls that BigLaw convincing will happen this semester/summer as we head into the rat race in August. I think people get lost in the hype/energy of it: I know I did for my 1L SA, and there wasn't even anyone around me egging me on!!! There's something about a list of different firms with different personalities that are selective that act like a puzzle/competition for kids. Then again, as piccolittle said, it's like that I'm sure at every T6, so I should stop complaining. I wonder how this culture of getting lost in the Big Law hype works at NYU.
To piccolittle's second point, as much shit as I talk about CLS, I actually honestly enjoy the people here too. At first, I felt it was a little college-y/clique-y,but I'm starting to really like my classmates and opening up to more people. People always say how 2nd semester, law school becomes awful and people turn crazy, I've actually really enjoyed my classmates more this semester than ast one.